All Viking Pilots Have Been Fired
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Most of the pilots and cc should be familiar with the Employment Tribunal procedure as they are Ex XL and have been through it all before with Stat Redund and Protective Awards etc etc. As I understand it, the Vik UK co has not been popped yet.
Good luck guys.
As I see it, and looking at Co. House web etc, PW does not own any of Vik, but BPI does. BPI I see is now Icelandic company though.
Good luck guys.
As I see it, and looking at Co. House web etc, PW does not own any of Vik, but BPI does. BPI I see is now Icelandic company though.
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The following quote is from Phil Wyatt himself. Refer to Post 340 dated 22nd August 2010 on the Viking Airlines thread in the AA&R section.
I am a SH (Shareholder) in BPI and do own 40 p/c of Viking AB - Christian Tadjeran owns the balance
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It's seem to me that Viking Airline management PW/CT were fully aware that they were going to have a difficult winter with the company viking AB, they knew full well in advance that the company was in serious trouble,( well the employes anyway) But they choose to ignore it , Instead of giving people there notices up to two months ago, they decided to carry on regardless,Phil L clark was put up in a position to cut cost within the compamy nearly three months,Yet Management decided it would cheaper and more efficent just to lay them all off without pay due to some loophole in the law, by using third party companies that no one can seen to contact,I my opinion it dose matter wheather viking airlines AB will continue trading , I realy don't think that they can secure any more contracts with their current reputation, I am sure that BPI will have some new company opened again next year,I really do feel sorry for all the employees(engineer's,pilots,cabin crew) they alway seem to be dealt a bad hand by this conpany and it's so call managers,who only seen to care about lining ther own pockets,I think if any of the employees can get any of thier wages that is owe to them they should go for it!!
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Totally shameful way to treat staff
Maybe more "personal risk management" skills are called for before enter contracts!
A 30 min investigation on this company shows big warning signals, and have done so for years
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Industrial tribunal
To all the Kiss boys and girls,
Tough break, I mean that, but I for one am not interested in getting into the 'whole told you so it's happened again when will he/they stop' thing.
You must all take the employer to an industrial tribunal. I cannot find the link right now, but you can file online in 5 minutes at zero cost. You have nothing to lose!
In comparison, my last UK Airline Company failed in the most civilized way, payed the owed wages for the Month (early) and ceased trading overnight.
We all took the Company that looked after us to IT for lack of consultation and won, the Government paid out, albeit at a very reduced rate of pay.
The very best of luck to you all, remember the market is starting to move so chins up and hopefuly the door that has just smacked you on the arse will open the next one very soon.
Best regards.
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Tough break, I mean that, but I for one am not interested in getting into the 'whole told you so it's happened again when will he/they stop' thing.
You must all take the employer to an industrial tribunal. I cannot find the link right now, but you can file online in 5 minutes at zero cost. You have nothing to lose!
In comparison, my last UK Airline Company failed in the most civilized way, payed the owed wages for the Month (early) and ceased trading overnight.
We all took the Company that looked after us to IT for lack of consultation and won, the Government paid out, albeit at a very reduced rate of pay.
The very best of luck to you all, remember the market is starting to move so chins up and hopefuly the door that has just smacked you on the arse will open the next one very soon.
Best regards.
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This is an absolute fiasco and a disgrace! I am genuinely upset and appalled that Phil Wyatt would issue a statement promoting an investment into what I can only describe as a 'joke airline'.
'' I am confident that Viking Airlines will be flying out of the UK again in some shape or form'' - Phil Wyatt
Cue silence – wind, dust and tumbleweed. I am sure there are other guaranteed ways of bringing joy to peoples lives. Disappointing thousands more holiday makers once again next summer surprisingly doesn’t come out top of everybody’s list.
On a serious note, as many of you will be aware, the majority of airlines and tour operators were overwhelmed this year. With an economic downturn, followed by a natural volcanic disaster thrown in for good measure, many businesses failed to recover, some bowing out more graciously than others.
With the confident assurances Mr Wyatt reveals to the public in his statement, it is a wonder why he and his associates didn’t apply for this years - Apprentice. If only they were pitching their ideas to Lord Sugar. I’m sure his witty response and sharp tongue would amuse the wider audience and would sound something along the lines of-
"Could be you’re here because you’re good with words and know the right thing to say at the right time. I know the words to Candle in the Wind. It don't make me Elton John." – Lord Alan Sugar
Viking Airlines missed their calling on Lord Alan Sugars - The Apprentice but they would definitely give Aunty Wainwright from - Last of the Summer Wine a run for her money. The sly and grasping junk shop owner who manages to lure unsuspecting customers into purchasing any unwanted items from her shop.
Humour aside, Noel Josephides, managing director of Sunvil Holidays and former non-executive chairman of the airline is adamant –
‘The airline hasn’t ceased trading or anything like that. It will resume flying next summer.’ – Noel Josephides
You can imagine this news raises the odd eyebrow especially for the many redundant Viking Airline employees who were issued a statement today with regard to their final pay.
Over to you - Viking Airlines Managing Director and Accountable Manager, Phil Lintott-Clarke.
‘Please forgive the general nature of this email. As you will know we have now commenced our period of reconstruction.
We are working closely with our lawyers in Stockholm to find a way through this complex process. I am hopeful that we should be in a better position to know what the way forward will be by 17th of November when we will have concluded discussions with Lessors and other large creditors. The Company had lined up a substantial trade backed investment but due to the uncertainty of any lessors claims on the business this has been put on ice until we can conclude negotiations with these Lessors – we are assured the investment is still available subject these claims being reasonable.
If we are successful in reaching Agreement with the Lessors and the investment remains forthcoming we will be in a position to pay the respective crew leasing agency the charges due up to the end of October – If we are not successful I regret to advise that I expect that no October dues will be forthcoming.’
Thanks for the heads up Phil Lintott-Clarke.
Viking Airlines can be found during the festive period in your local garden centre this year ladies and gentlemen as - The Grinch who stole Christmas.
This is a long line of what I like to call – Good Friday Emails. These are the ones that pop up in your inbox, issued on the last day of the week, which you can not respond too and are managements way of avoiding having to answer any awkward questions.
Viking Airlines knee jerk reactions to the financial climate of 2010 knocked the confidence and lessened the feeling amongst its employees, something no doubt felt by its passengers. Portraying itself as a healthy contender only adds genuine insult to the many staff and their families who will be wondering where their next pay check will be coming from.
Viking Hellas has been drafted to operate this winter schedule on behalf of Viking Airlines AB. A rocky start saw the impounding of a Viking Hellas aircraft at Gatwick Airport on Mon 18 Oct 2010 due to non payment of fees owed by the Viking Group.
In a statement, Gatwick Airport said –
‘We can confirm that a Viking aircraft was detained by Gatwick Airport yesterday (18 October) as a result of an unpaid, long-standing debt owed by Viking Group’.
‘Gatwick did not take this action lightly, but after months of chasing payment without success it became apparent that this was, regrettably, the only option left to recover the monies owed. The aircraft was released following the receipt of payment made by Viking Group’.
Understandably employees would be naturally upset that the Viking Group has the ability and financial resource to bail out one of their assets ie. their aircraft, but fail to recognise the many employees who worked long hours to ensure the airlines productivity and resilience during a challenging year and who aren’t going to be paid at the end of this month – aren’t they considered assets by the Viking Group too?
To conclude my rant.
It is my belief that a recession can have a positive affect on businesses. It encourages innovation, strengthens competition and encourages improved standards of customer service. Those businesses who lack the ability to deliver on their promise’s, provide a substandard quality of customer service and who continually demonstrate a profound lack of business etiquette have little chance in today’s economy. The man made corporate equivalent of natures own natural selection. The process where the weak will be weeded out and the stronger contenders continue to recover, move forward and flourish.
Viking Airlines cowboy endeavours lack substance and more importantly fundamental integrity. They are a disgrace to the aviation industry and have no moral obligation to uphold to their employees or customers alike. They are more likely to be seen on BBC’s Watchdog than Wish you were here.
Thank you for listening I hope I raised a smile amongst the obvious concern.
- Anonymous
'' I am confident that Viking Airlines will be flying out of the UK again in some shape or form'' - Phil Wyatt
Cue silence – wind, dust and tumbleweed. I am sure there are other guaranteed ways of bringing joy to peoples lives. Disappointing thousands more holiday makers once again next summer surprisingly doesn’t come out top of everybody’s list.
On a serious note, as many of you will be aware, the majority of airlines and tour operators were overwhelmed this year. With an economic downturn, followed by a natural volcanic disaster thrown in for good measure, many businesses failed to recover, some bowing out more graciously than others.
With the confident assurances Mr Wyatt reveals to the public in his statement, it is a wonder why he and his associates didn’t apply for this years - Apprentice. If only they were pitching their ideas to Lord Sugar. I’m sure his witty response and sharp tongue would amuse the wider audience and would sound something along the lines of-
"Could be you’re here because you’re good with words and know the right thing to say at the right time. I know the words to Candle in the Wind. It don't make me Elton John." – Lord Alan Sugar
Viking Airlines missed their calling on Lord Alan Sugars - The Apprentice but they would definitely give Aunty Wainwright from - Last of the Summer Wine a run for her money. The sly and grasping junk shop owner who manages to lure unsuspecting customers into purchasing any unwanted items from her shop.
Humour aside, Noel Josephides, managing director of Sunvil Holidays and former non-executive chairman of the airline is adamant –
‘The airline hasn’t ceased trading or anything like that. It will resume flying next summer.’ – Noel Josephides
You can imagine this news raises the odd eyebrow especially for the many redundant Viking Airline employees who were issued a statement today with regard to their final pay.
Over to you - Viking Airlines Managing Director and Accountable Manager, Phil Lintott-Clarke.
‘Please forgive the general nature of this email. As you will know we have now commenced our period of reconstruction.
We are working closely with our lawyers in Stockholm to find a way through this complex process. I am hopeful that we should be in a better position to know what the way forward will be by 17th of November when we will have concluded discussions with Lessors and other large creditors. The Company had lined up a substantial trade backed investment but due to the uncertainty of any lessors claims on the business this has been put on ice until we can conclude negotiations with these Lessors – we are assured the investment is still available subject these claims being reasonable.
If we are successful in reaching Agreement with the Lessors and the investment remains forthcoming we will be in a position to pay the respective crew leasing agency the charges due up to the end of October – If we are not successful I regret to advise that I expect that no October dues will be forthcoming.’
Thanks for the heads up Phil Lintott-Clarke.
Viking Airlines can be found during the festive period in your local garden centre this year ladies and gentlemen as - The Grinch who stole Christmas.
This is a long line of what I like to call – Good Friday Emails. These are the ones that pop up in your inbox, issued on the last day of the week, which you can not respond too and are managements way of avoiding having to answer any awkward questions.
Viking Airlines knee jerk reactions to the financial climate of 2010 knocked the confidence and lessened the feeling amongst its employees, something no doubt felt by its passengers. Portraying itself as a healthy contender only adds genuine insult to the many staff and their families who will be wondering where their next pay check will be coming from.
Viking Hellas has been drafted to operate this winter schedule on behalf of Viking Airlines AB. A rocky start saw the impounding of a Viking Hellas aircraft at Gatwick Airport on Mon 18 Oct 2010 due to non payment of fees owed by the Viking Group.
In a statement, Gatwick Airport said –
‘We can confirm that a Viking aircraft was detained by Gatwick Airport yesterday (18 October) as a result of an unpaid, long-standing debt owed by Viking Group’.
‘Gatwick did not take this action lightly, but after months of chasing payment without success it became apparent that this was, regrettably, the only option left to recover the monies owed. The aircraft was released following the receipt of payment made by Viking Group’.
Understandably employees would be naturally upset that the Viking Group has the ability and financial resource to bail out one of their assets ie. their aircraft, but fail to recognise the many employees who worked long hours to ensure the airlines productivity and resilience during a challenging year and who aren’t going to be paid at the end of this month – aren’t they considered assets by the Viking Group too?
To conclude my rant.
It is my belief that a recession can have a positive affect on businesses. It encourages innovation, strengthens competition and encourages improved standards of customer service. Those businesses who lack the ability to deliver on their promise’s, provide a substandard quality of customer service and who continually demonstrate a profound lack of business etiquette have little chance in today’s economy. The man made corporate equivalent of natures own natural selection. The process where the weak will be weeded out and the stronger contenders continue to recover, move forward and flourish.
Viking Airlines cowboy endeavours lack substance and more importantly fundamental integrity. They are a disgrace to the aviation industry and have no moral obligation to uphold to their employees or customers alike. They are more likely to be seen on BBC’s Watchdog than Wish you were here.
Thank you for listening I hope I raised a smile amongst the obvious concern.
- Anonymous
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Some parts of the world are still desperate for pilots (not china) so that could be interesting to have a look in East Africa region 737NG major operators. It s not like being home but that keep you current at least and it s happening now.
Fingers crossed and good luck to all Viking guys
Fingers crossed and good luck to all Viking guys
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And when these people turn up with the next iteration of this kind of operation, pilots will still be bending over backwards to prostitute themselves into working for them. Guys, don't be surprised when something like this falls on its arse, you should have seen it coming.
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It is to your credit that you are able to put a humorous slant on what must be a distressing situation.
Were all Viking crew employed through a leasing agent or did they employ any crew directly?
I wish you well for the future.
Were all Viking crew employed through a leasing agent or did they employ any crew directly?
I wish you well for the future.
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So in the biggest recesion in living memory some guys take a job with the only airline in town and in your opinion they deserve to get shafted.
Please tell me the logic to this statment and while you are about it could you please tell us why you seem to take so much plesure in these job losses?
Please tell me the logic to this statment and while you are about it could you please tell us why you seem to take so much plesure in these job losses?
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"""So in the biggest recesion in living memory some guys take a job with the only airline in town and in your opinion they deserve to get shafted""
