Corendon off runway, AMS
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Corendon off runway, AMS
A Corendon Air Boeing 737-400, registration TC-TJF performing flight 7H-603 from Dalaman (Turkey) to Amsterdam (Netherlands) with 167 passengers and 6 crew, landed on Amsterdam Schiphol's runway 22 (length 2014 meters/6610 feet) in drizzle at approx. 18:58L (16:58Z) but overran the end of the runway and came to a stop with the nose gear off paved surface. No injuries and no damage occurred.
The passengers disembarked onto the runway and were bussed to the terminal.
The nose gear was about 4 meters off the paved surface. The runway was closed until about 03:30L (duration about 8.5 hours) when the airplane was towed to a hangar.
The passengers disembarked onto the runway and were bussed to the terminal.
The nose gear was about 4 meters off the paved surface. The runway was closed until about 03:30L (duration about 8.5 hours) when the airplane was towed to a hangar.
I did not realise 22 was used for Pax arrivals. I thought it was just used for GA or aircraft going for maintenance.
Not too short for a 737 but not a lot of room for error.
I wonder if the crew were aware that this runway is not the usual 10+ thousand feet that all the other runways have.
Not too short for a 737 but not a lot of room for error.
I wonder if the crew were aware that this runway is not the usual 10+ thousand feet that all the other runways have.
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I would suggest that this is a bit more than just a minor mishap!
Calamity. A muddy nosewheel.
Four metres off the end? Whoever insists on recording every single minor mishap in this industry, with that level of detail, seriously needs to get a life...
Four metres off the end? Whoever insists on recording every single minor mishap in this industry, with that level of detail, seriously needs to get a life...
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Leaving the runway is a serious matter and should be treated as so in any safety management system. Sadly too often in the airline industry such events are ignored or downplayed.
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Wanting to supress safety information is a sign of a poor safety culture, yet such denial and suppression something that seems to be a common instinct in the airline industry.
Wanting to supress safety information is a sign of a poor safety culture, yet such denial and suppression something that seems to be a common instinct in the airline industry.
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Anotherone off the RWY, seems to be happening weekly nowadays.
To me these incidents are scary, they do represent our industries biggest killer. Mere luck keeps it limited to a small 2 liner on the web, and it is probably not worth more than that to the general public.
On this forum it should be causing concern, especially the multitude of occurences.
Again it is of interest to me what information has been given to the pilots and what alse might have caused them to choose a landing at this place and at this time.
After reading the report supplied by decurion on the AA Jamaika thread
http://www.nlr-atsi.com/eCache/ATS/14/919.pdf
I have changed the way I work every day, have made room for more margin on takeoff and landing.
Noone plans to have an accident, and yet still they happen. So the above comments in the line of "not newsworthy" or "nothing happened, calm down" show a great lack of risk awareness.
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To me these incidents are scary, they do represent our industries biggest killer. Mere luck keeps it limited to a small 2 liner on the web, and it is probably not worth more than that to the general public.
On this forum it should be causing concern, especially the multitude of occurences.
Again it is of interest to me what information has been given to the pilots and what alse might have caused them to choose a landing at this place and at this time.
After reading the report supplied by decurion on the AA Jamaika thread
http://www.nlr-atsi.com/eCache/ATS/14/919.pdf
I have changed the way I work every day, have made room for more margin on takeoff and landing.
Noone plans to have an accident, and yet still they happen. So the above comments in the line of "not newsworthy" or "nothing happened, calm down" show a great lack of risk awareness.
Nic
fireflybob,
I expect they had charts, but I've flown with people who have not mentioned the less than expected length of runway when briefing.
I (from the middle seat) have raised this point sometimes.
I expect they had charts, but I've flown with people who have not mentioned the less than expected length of runway when briefing.
I (from the middle seat) have raised this point sometimes.
Something doesn't add up. Runway 22 is only used for GA traffic. Either the wrong runway was given in post 1 or they made a visual approach (unlikely)to the wrong runway. Nearest option to 22 would be 27. Too big a difference to confuse 22 for 27, plus I'm sure that they would have made an ILS to 27. Standing by for some more facts.
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EHAM Rwy´s with westerly, south west orientation: Rw 22; Rw 27 and Rw 24.
RW 22 being the shortest. Still long enough for a B737, brakes 3 to max flaps 40 even 30. Depending on the weight, wind, runway condition, etc.
RW 22 being the shortest. Still long enough for a B737, brakes 3 to max flaps 40 even 30. Depending on the weight, wind, runway condition, etc.
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Been to AMS many times, but never landed, or offered 24 or 22
Any exciursion from the tarmac, such as this, needs looking at very closely indeed.
That no one is injured is fantastic. However the circumstances leading up to this needs to be investigated, and published.
Once we have the info then wse can start to look at whether technical deficiencies or other failings, including CRM and other issues, need to be addressed. I'ts utterley wrong to start slinging national references about. Western majors and flag carriers have been known to come off the runway.
Any exciursion from the tarmac, such as this, needs looking at very closely indeed.
That no one is injured is fantastic. However the circumstances leading up to this needs to be investigated, and published.
Once we have the info then wse can start to look at whether technical deficiencies or other failings, including CRM and other issues, need to be addressed. I'ts utterley wrong to start slinging national references about. Western majors and flag carriers have been known to come off the runway.
