Airbus lands short at Palermo
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Airbus lands short at Palermo
Have already posted this in Italian thread: just heard a last minute on Italian news, Rome -Palermo flight Airbus off rwy, injuries reported, sorry was away from tv and could not hear from which airline.
Anyone has more news?
Anyone has more news?
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From Rome daily "Il Messaggero"
"An Airbus 300 aircraft with 143 passengers and 6 crew-members belonging to Wind Jet departed the runway on landing at Palermo's Falcone-Borsellino airport. The flight number was Wind Jet LV243, a code share with Meridiana Fly, which departed Fiumicino [FCO] at 19:08 [local, presumably], slightly behind schedule.
The aircraft ran off the runway at 20:13 on account of a very heavy rainstorm at Palermo at the time. Emergency procedures were immediately implemented and passengers were deplaned via the emergency chutes and taken inside the airport building. GESAP, the airport management company, said that three persons had been taken to hospital with minor head and nose injuries. The National Agency for Aviation Safety (ANSV) has begun an investigation."
The aircraft ran off the runway at 20:13 on account of a very heavy rainstorm at Palermo at the time. Emergency procedures were immediately implemented and passengers were deplaned via the emergency chutes and taken inside the airport building. GESAP, the airport management company, said that three persons had been taken to hospital with minor head and nose injuries. The National Agency for Aviation Safety (ANSV) has begun an investigation."
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Last four METARs/app plate for ILSDME RWY 25
LICJ 241920Z 19015KT 9999 SCT022 BKN030 21/18 Q1001
LICJ 241850Z 18010KT 4000 TSRA FEW018CB SCT020 BKN028 20/18 Q1001 RMK VIS MIN 4000
LICJ 241820Z 07006KT 4000 TSRA FEW018CB SCT022 BKN030 20/18 Q1000
LICJ 241750Z 06014KT 4000 TSRA FEW018CB SCT022 BKN030 20/18 Q1001 WS RWY 20 RMK VIS MIN 400
http://www.vatita.net/download/plann...LICJ_ils25.pdf
Not difficult to see how this might have happened. After dark; poor vis; heavy rain; crosswind coming off a bloody great ridge a few hundred metres upwind of the runway...
LICJ 241850Z 18010KT 4000 TSRA FEW018CB SCT020 BKN028 20/18 Q1001 RMK VIS MIN 4000
LICJ 241820Z 07006KT 4000 TSRA FEW018CB SCT022 BKN030 20/18 Q1000
LICJ 241750Z 06014KT 4000 TSRA FEW018CB SCT022 BKN030 20/18 Q1001 WS RWY 20 RMK VIS MIN 400
http://www.vatita.net/download/plann...LICJ_ils25.pdf
Not difficult to see how this might have happened. After dark; poor vis; heavy rain; crosswind coming off a bloody great ridge a few hundred metres upwind of the runway...
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Originally Posted by Blind Squirrel
Not difficult to see how this might have happened. After dark; poor vis; heavy rain; crosswind
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From the "Giornale di Sicilia"
"'We heard a loud bang, like an explosion. It all happened in an instant. Now my back hurts dreadfully,' said Cinzia Orabona, a 31-year-old Palermo resident, who was aboard the Wind Jet Airbus 300 that ran off the runway this evening while landing at Falcone-Borsellino Airport in Palermo....'The aircraft left Rome on time,' she said, 'and there was some turbulence enroute, but nothing to worry about. After the landing we exited via two escape hatches; the rear of the aircraft was damaged. I don't recall having seen any serious injuries, just scrapes and bruises.' But the young woman also complained: 'We passengers were left standing in the rain and had to make our own way to the terminal on foot.'"
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Updates from the "Messaggero"
Pilot "one of the most experienced at Wind Jet"; aircraft "ran off the runway after touch-down"; according to passengers "the undercarriage may have collapsed...witnesses speak of the aircraft sliding 600 metres on its belly and finishing up on the verges next to the runway."
GESAP now saying "about 20 people taken to hospital," though none with serious injuries; 123 pax on board. Aircraft an A310-200. According to Wind Jet, "wind shear" was the cause. Dr Francesco Scorza, Red Cross physician on scene: "I provided first aid...about a dozen people came to me for treatment of minor cuts to their limbs and head, probably sustained while coming down the emergency chutes."
"After the off-runway landing there were scenes of panic and screaming on board. The overhead lockers opened and lots of stuff fell out. I was hit in the head," said Salvatore Lauro, 46, engineer..."I saw the cowlings of the right-hand engine open," he added. "After violently impacting the ground the oxygen masks deployed. Then they opened the chutes. Before we could get out of the aircraft several passengers blocked the exits for quite a few minutes because they wouldn't leave their hand baggage behind. But the crew prevailed upon them to deplane without their wheelie-bags." Lauro complained about "the delay before the emergency services arrived. We had to walk along the runway for about fifty metres before the shuttle-buses turned up." Afterwards he received medical treatment in the infirmary. "I'm going home now," he said, "and thank goodness nothing happened that can't be taken care of. Among those who were more badly hurt than I, I did see a man who seemed to have a dislocated shoulder."
GESAP now saying "about 20 people taken to hospital," though none with serious injuries; 123 pax on board. Aircraft an A310-200. According to Wind Jet, "wind shear" was the cause. Dr Francesco Scorza, Red Cross physician on scene: "I provided first aid...about a dozen people came to me for treatment of minor cuts to their limbs and head, probably sustained while coming down the emergency chutes."
"After the off-runway landing there were scenes of panic and screaming on board. The overhead lockers opened and lots of stuff fell out. I was hit in the head," said Salvatore Lauro, 46, engineer..."I saw the cowlings of the right-hand engine open," he added. "After violently impacting the ground the oxygen masks deployed. Then they opened the chutes. Before we could get out of the aircraft several passengers blocked the exits for quite a few minutes because they wouldn't leave their hand baggage behind. But the crew prevailed upon them to deplane without their wheelie-bags." Lauro complained about "the delay before the emergency services arrived. We had to walk along the runway for about fifty metres before the shuttle-buses turned up." Afterwards he received medical treatment in the infirmary. "I'm going home now," he said, "and thank goodness nothing happened that can't be taken care of. Among those who were more badly hurt than I, I did see a man who seemed to have a dislocated shoulder."
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Passenger interviewed on "Telegiornale 24" (Italian equiv. of Sky News)
Says the pilot made a mobile 'phone call beside her on the ground; in her version he said to whomever he was speaking, "I didn't see the runway" ("non ho visto la pista").
Well, it is a rumour network...!
Well, it is a rumour network...!
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Aircraft an A310-200.
Palermo is a no-no in our Airport Manual with winds from the southern end over 15 kts. Windshear is a real threat at this airport, even without thunderstorms.
Even the control tower is evacuated (hence aerodrome closed) with winds over 40 kts.
Glad nobody was badly hurt.
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Runway excursions are a Common problem
Runway excursions are a very common problem in aviation safety. There are about 2 excursions per week worldwide with commercial and executive operations. (see NLR-ATSI: Runway excursions). Currently we are working in Europe to make an action plan for the prevention of runway excursions. We also have plans to organise a free safety seminar on runway excursions next year.
See also: http://www.nlr-atsi.com/eCache/ATS/14/919.pdf
See also: http://www.nlr-atsi.com/eCache/ATS/14/919.pdf
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We also have plans to organise a free safety seminar on runway excursions next year.
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Can' t wait to read in the final report whether the P2F aspect of the airline played any role in this.
It would be a good opportunity to get media and EASA involved in this unacceptable practice.
It would be a good opportunity to get media and EASA involved in this unacceptable practice.
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Update from "Il Messaggero"
Aircraft touched down 300-400 metres before the runway threshold, in a ploughed-up area. Initially, ATC thought it had come down in the sea and called out four coastguard patrol boats. Vis at the point of touchdown stated to be "5 metres"; an Alitalia pilot waiting at the holding point never saw the landing Airbus. Once it was determined that the aircraft had in fact come down in the vicinity of the runway, the lack of visibility meant that the emergency services had a great deal of difficulty finding the crash site.
Some passengers said they had to walk for 20 minutes before reaching the terminal area. (Sig. Lauro's complaint, then, might be more explicable: it appears he stood around in the rain for that period of time, then gave up, started walking, and met the shuttle buses 50 metres away.)
Pilot quoted as saying to Wind Jet management: "I felt like the aircraft was sinking" on final approach. PF has more than 15,000 hours experience.
After the impact, the aircraft took out the glideslope antenna, along with various other obstructions. It'll take three weeks to repair the ILS. The a/c is now resting to the left of the RWY 07 threshold, with its nose pointing east. (Photo below: arrows indicate visible damage.)
Some passengers said they had to walk for 20 minutes before reaching the terminal area. (Sig. Lauro's complaint, then, might be more explicable: it appears he stood around in the rain for that period of time, then gave up, started walking, and met the shuttle buses 50 metres away.)
Pilot quoted as saying to Wind Jet management: "I felt like the aircraft was sinking" on final approach. PF has more than 15,000 hours experience.
After the impact, the aircraft took out the glideslope antenna, along with various other obstructions. It'll take three weeks to repair the ILS. The a/c is now resting to the left of the RWY 07 threshold, with its nose pointing east. (Photo below: arrows indicate visible damage.)
Please excuse a lame attempt at humour, seeing that the premature touchdown in itself caused no injury, unless broken noses came about as a result thereof (how, one wonders, would one get a broken nose evacuating by slide?).
With all the damage pointed out by Blind Squirrel, the paramount question amongst the non-pilot types must be will it be a CTL or will it fly again. In the latter event, would it not be an idea to keep those lamps embedded in the nose cone, turn them around and wire them up to shine when required?
With all the damage pointed out by Blind Squirrel, the paramount question amongst the non-pilot types must be will it be a CTL or will it fly again. In the latter event, would it not be an idea to keep those lamps embedded in the nose cone, turn them around and wire them up to shine when required?
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Am I still right in thinking its a VOR approach to 07???
Tricky place LICJ especially when the wind is from the south around the 'big rock'!
Glad not more serious. Will be interesting to see the outcome of the accident
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Tricky place LICJ especially when the wind is from the south around the 'big rock'!
Glad not more serious. Will be interesting to see the outcome of the accident
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Yes, it's still VOR only for R/W 07.
If the time was 19.08 local, that would make it 17:08 Z, and we don't seem to have the METAR for 16:50 z - which would be the most relevant -but it would seem that the wind was easterly around that time. I guess that's why he wasn't on the ILS for 20.
Windshear and TS in the 17:50 METAR - classic combination?
If the time was 19.08 local, that would make it 17:08 Z, and we don't seem to have the METAR for 16:50 z - which would be the most relevant -but it would seem that the wind was easterly around that time. I guess that's why he wasn't on the ILS for 20.
Windshear and TS in the 17:50 METAR - classic combination?