Tu 154 emergency landing at Izhma (Komi)
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At the risk of starting a firefight on the thread, I wonder if the water cup story is so terrible implausible (in general I mean, not case specific).
What Bob Hoover was doing was essentially keeping a constant and steady 1G applied by effectively doing a very precise barrel roll, effectively the opposite of the "vomit comet" ride where negative G is kept applied by a prolonged bunt, BH kept positive by prolonged and constant back stick on the way around and balanced by maintaining the same roll rate. Thats why most of us would struggle to emulate the move, we would displace the water by varying the roll rate, the rate of G applied or both.
BH's demonstration therefore, IMHO, does not discount that water will move in the glass when experiencing change of forces, it just demonstrates what a perfect touch he had/has.
Whether water in the glass can be used to keep the sky the right way up or not.....well who is volunteering to go out and test it in VMC with a hood and a safety pilot....then publish the video results on here
What Bob Hoover was doing was essentially keeping a constant and steady 1G applied by effectively doing a very precise barrel roll, effectively the opposite of the "vomit comet" ride where negative G is kept applied by a prolonged bunt, BH kept positive by prolonged and constant back stick on the way around and balanced by maintaining the same roll rate. Thats why most of us would struggle to emulate the move, we would displace the water by varying the roll rate, the rate of G applied or both.
BH's demonstration therefore, IMHO, does not discount that water will move in the glass when experiencing change of forces, it just demonstrates what a perfect touch he had/has.
Whether water in the glass can be used to keep the sky the right way up or not.....well who is volunteering to go out and test it in VMC with a hood and a safety pilot....then publish the video results on here
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Well off thread but this needs to be said - rmac - if you really are a CPL/IR AND fly, having seen you ask a question like that I suggest you do some study of disorientation before you have an accident.
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BOAC,
Didn't say it would work, just said, for the reasons stated, that because the water didn't move in Bob Hoovers glass, didn't mean that it wouldn't move in anyone else's
Whether it could then be measurable is another thing, hence my (tongue in cheek) sugestion that someone give it a go with the hood and safety pilot and then put the result on youtube....and then there would be no more discussions required..
At the same time, perhaps the experiment could also include putting a cat on the glareshield
Didn't say it would work, just said, for the reasons stated, that because the water didn't move in Bob Hoovers glass, didn't mean that it wouldn't move in anyone else's
Whether it could then be measurable is another thing, hence my (tongue in cheek) sugestion that someone give it a go with the hood and safety pilot and then put the result on youtube....and then there would be no more discussions required..
At the same time, perhaps the experiment could also include putting a cat on the glareshield
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apparently they are looking at flying it out
Tupolev crash, Russia | Pilots to attempt flying 'miracle' plane
Tupolev crash, Russia | Pilots to attempt flying 'miracle' plane
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rmac - what concerned me was the suggestion that it MIGHT work in your post. "I wonder if... "/"Whether water....". If I misjudged you it is because of your words. You do realise that 'straight and level' is nigh impossible too, don't you? Never mind barrel rolls.
The cat, of course, does work, unless it is a Manx.
The cat, of course, does work, unless it is a Manx.
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apparently they are looking at flying it out
I faintly recall a video of somebody pouring coffee or tea into a mug while transitioning through upside down in a barrel roll.
For the water to stay in the glass, it doesn't have to always be 1 G through the vertical axis of the glass. Anything positive will do the job.
For the water to stay in the glass, it doesn't have to always be 1 G through the vertical axis of the glass. Anything positive will do the job.
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I faintly recall a video of somebody pouring coffee or tea into a mug while transitioning through upside down in a barrel roll.
For the water to stay in the glass, it doesn't have to always be 1 G through the vertical axis of the glass. Anything positive will do the job.
For the water to stay in the glass, it doesn't have to always be 1 G through the vertical axis of the glass. Anything positive will do the job.
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President Dmitry Medvedev has signed a decree to give the Hero of Russia Stars to the pilots of theTu-154 passenger plane who managed to make an emergency landing on a deserted air field in the republic of Komi on September 7, the Kremlin press service reports.
"For their courage, heroism and for exercising their professional duties in extreme conditions pilots Adnrei Lomanov and Evgeny Novoseloiv receive the Orders of the Hero of Russia, the decree read.
By the same decree, the plane's captain Rafilk Karimov, navigator Sergei Talalayev and five stewards are to be decorated with the orders for courage.
The crew of the system failure Tupolev-154 passenger liner who made a crash landing on an airfield in Komi.
Photo: RIA Novosti
"For their courage, heroism and for exercising their professional duties in extreme conditions pilots Adnrei Lomanov and Evgeny Novoseloiv receive the Orders of the Hero of Russia, the decree read.
By the same decree, the plane's captain Rafilk Karimov, navigator Sergei Talalayev and five stewards are to be decorated with the orders for courage.
The crew of the system failure Tupolev-154 passenger liner who made a crash landing on an airfield in Komi.
Photo: RIA Novosti
Lots of references:
Wasn't too hard to search for this on Google:
Pilots who made crash landing in taiga decorated as Heroes of Russia : Voice of Russia
More to be found using search string "Hero of Russia Stars to the pilots of Tu-154"
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Pilots who made crash landing in taiga decorated as Heroes of Russia : Voice of Russia
More to be found using search string "Hero of Russia Stars to the pilots of Tu-154"
- GY
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Executive order awarding state decorations to the crew of a Tu-154 plane for courage and heroism
October 8, 2010, 15:00
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Dmitry Medvedev signed Executive Order On Awarding State Decorations to the Crew of a Tu-154 Aircraft of Mirny Aviation Division of AO ALROSA, Republic of Sakha (Yakutia).
Pilots Andrei Lamanov and Yevgeny Novoselov were awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation for their courage and heroism in an emergency situation. The other seven crew members were awarded the Order of Courage.
The passenger Tu-154 aircraft with 72 passengers and nine crew members on board was flying from Yakutia to Moscow on September 7, 2010 when its electricity supply, navigation equipment and radio communications failed at an altitude of more than 10 kilometres and so it was forced to make an emergency landing at a military airfield in Izhma, Komi Republic (Northwestern Federal District), not designed to handle large aircraft and in recent years used to serve helicopters only. No one was injured during the landing and the plane received only slight damage.
October 8, 2010, 15:00
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October 8, 2010, 15:00
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Dmitry Medvedev signed Executive Order On Awarding State Decorations to the Crew of a Tu-154 Aircraft of Mirny Aviation Division of AO ALROSA, Republic of Sakha (Yakutia).
Pilots Andrei Lamanov and Yevgeny Novoselov were awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation for their courage and heroism in an emergency situation. The other seven crew members were awarded the Order of Courage.
The passenger Tu-154 aircraft with 72 passengers and nine crew members on board was flying from Yakutia to Moscow on September 7, 2010 when its electricity supply, navigation equipment and radio communications failed at an altitude of more than 10 kilometres and so it was forced to make an emergency landing at a military airfield in Izhma, Komi Republic (Northwestern Federal District), not designed to handle large aircraft and in recent years used to serve helicopters only. No one was injured during the landing and the plane received only slight damage.
October 8, 2010, 15:00
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Russian technogeek forum dirty.ru decided to make present to Serge Sotnikov, airfield Izhma director.
Till 20/12/2010 they want to collect 300 000 rub or about $10 000 to buy him Yamaha VK540 II snowmobile. If anybody want to join, please use
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Till 20/12/2010 they want to collect 300 000 rub or about $10 000 to buy him Yamaha VK540 II snowmobile. If anybody want to join, please use
Webmoney:
R322402321521 — RUR
Z244924815313 — USD
Yandex money:
41001805226422
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