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Tu 154 emergency landing at Izhma (Komi)

Old 7th Sep 2010, 19:48
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Polyarny (ikao UERP iata PYJ) to DME (Domodedovo). 3934.10 km by Google.

But I think they mean not fuel remaining, but that fuel pumps must stop in short time without power.
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Old 7th Sep 2010, 21:17
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Apologies for layman's question - from where Komi ASSR is, one can be excused to ask how were they supposed to make it to Moscow, with 30 minutes of fuel remaining?
Under a total power failure they would be left with just the fuel in the center tank, which has a battery powered pump.

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Old 7th Sep 2010, 22:14
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Lucky to have an over run area that flat and such continuous smooth retardation (very little to do with aircraft design). Typically it's the bumps that break the aircraft
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Agee lomapaseo, but compare the main landing gear assembly of a Tu154 with that of a 737 or a 320 and see which one has the most chances once in soft ground.
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I am surprised. And no loss of life. Lucky chaps.
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Old 8th Sep 2010, 09:12
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Flapless landing, no stab trim, on STDBY instruments, RW just 1200 meters...
Well done, greate job!
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A great result, showing very good piloting skills.
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Old 8th Sep 2010, 13:59
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Runway photo. Condition is not great but for low-ACN aircraft like TU154 looks managebale.

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Old 8th Sep 2010, 16:56
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Still looks in better knick than a great deal of other russian aircraft still flying!
Their owners are only the second largest diamond Co. in the world after De Beers...

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Old 8th Sep 2010, 18:24
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Originally Posted by ATC Watcher
Agee lomapaseo, but compare the main landing gear assembly of a Tu154 with that of a 737 or a 320 and see which one has the most chances once in soft ground.
In soft ground the modern landing gear is designed to shear off backwards and the a/c will then carry on on belly / engines. The BA38 crash showed this in action.(although with more wing damage than perhaps should have been - but ROD may have been higher than design for this scenario).

So the modern landing gear comes off worse, but the result for the plane & those on board should be as good.if not better, which is what counts.
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Old 8th Sep 2010, 21:15
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Oddly enough this incident may have some common thread with the in-flight fire discussions on the UPS crash thread.

It would appear that this Captain, faced with a technical incident that he believed would make the aircraft unflyable in a fairly short period of time (fuel pumps stop delivering fuel to engines as I understand from another post?) took an executive decision to get it on the deck ASAP and take his chances with what might be available under the cloud....
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Old 8th Sep 2010, 22:16
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With engines running, electric power presumably was present on the alternators output leads. Isn't continuous fuel supply one of very basic design requirements from survivability point of view.
With the multple-redundancy customary to design of any "vital system" on a commercial aircraft (Soviet or not), it's very hard to believe indeed that such total loss of electric power (when even fuel pumps are dead) while engines still actually running is possible on "certified hardware"..

Was this "bort" overhauled, according to owner's wishes for "modern stuff" for passengers and/or "glass" in the cocpit, by any chance? Paintjob looked spanking-new in the photo, for example, which is not that common for a commercial TU-154 these days.

Hydraulic "power" apparently was not affected, was it? Or do engines "pump" hydraulics directly in TU..

I know these questions are indeed stupid for aviation pro-s as no doubt majority of posters here are, but as they say where I happen to live currently, "miracles only happen in Efteling". And there seems to be more than one or even a couple of miracles in this story..
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 10:07
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I have no comment to make about this video, i'm just bemused

YouTube - ????????? ??????? ??-154 ? ????? /????/ ????? ????????

(For context, it's a passengers video of the planes 'evacuation')
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 12:20
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Truly astonishing.

Thanks for that Sam.
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 12:51
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Absolutely amazing. They seems all realy cool about the whole thing...
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 13:13
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No pax bus....
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 13:15
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Sam Bee, the emergency is not there anymore — the airplane is on the ground, the engines are shut down, there's no fire, no panic, nobody's hurt. The airport was not equipped with jet bridges or Dulles–style mobiles or even mobile stairs, and Tu-154 was not equipped with airstairs, so emergency slides had to be used for disembarkation. Also, there was not any kind of air train or moving walk or shuttle busses at that airport, so helicopters were used to shuttle the pax to connecting flights.

upd: well, ok, there were at least some pax busses…
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 13:15
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Built like the proverbial brick ****house. None of the overhead bins popped open. Amazing. People so nonplussed as if it was just another day at the office.

Several other passenger videos linked below the longer one mentioned above.

An English language report from Russia here, including a description of what had failed:

YouTube - Russia's 'Hudson miracle'? Pilots save 81 landing plane in Taiga forest
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 13:22
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I wasn't making any judgements or implications dvv - just thought it would be interesting, which it was, so no need to get defensive!

But correct me if i'm wrong, surely the priority once the plane got to a halt would have been to evacuate everyone immediately due to fire risk, leaking fuel...? Surely, just surely, this was taking 'casual' a bit too far.
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 13:30
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Yes re that previous video, perhaps the Russian SLF are used to not always arriving at their chosen destination. They all seem to have that look of "oh well, this time we're in a forest, better than last year when it was the ice tundra..."

You can see an injury from the expression on one of the passengers faces. It's the guy walking out of the terminal gate area after they've finally arrived at their eventual destination with a pained expression as the person behind him runs their trolly into his heel (ouch!)

Congrats to the crew....good job.
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