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UPS Aircraft Down In Dubai

Old 3rd Sep 2010, 18:57
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Flightdeck fire on B744F???? Very worrying.

as for a "flightdeck fire". There is the possibilty that the fire was on the main deck "under the flight deck".
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 18:58
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CNN confirms bodies of the crew recovered. An other sad day for aviation this year...
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 18:59
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Wrong direction for return to 30R, visual app to R27 at Minhad possibly, crash site about 2-3 miles from threshold.

And yes, justforfun, I'm also hoping for the miracle!

Edited to say unfortunately, news outlets quoting officals now confirming two fatalities,
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:01
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CNN confirms bodies of the crew recovered. An other sad day for aviation this year...
For once I'm hoping the news agencies are wrong...

Gutted...
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:11
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:12
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Im in DEL tonight and BBC World is still reporting that it was an Emirates cargo aircraft. Not sure if I should be surprised by that inaccurate reporting but, with a statement already issued from UPS, it just is not acceptable
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:15
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Flight from Dubai to Germany
Emergency with Barhain Control and emergency descent to 10000 ft
Fire in flight deck
unable to read instruments or changing freq with UAE control
several a/c relay transmission and radar vectors from UAE control on to Barhain freq
Last position on OMDB was 7000 ft - 6 nm final 12L.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:21
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Flight from Dubai to Germany
Emergency with Barhain Control and emergency descent to 10000 ft
Fire in flight deck
unable to read instruments or changing freq with UAE control
several a/c relay transmission and radar vectors from UAE control on to Barhain freq
Last position on OMDB was 7000 ft - 6 nm final 12L.
Can we try and stick to the very little information we have? ... UPS are reporting:

Atlanta, September 03, 2010

A UPS cargo plane has been involved in an accident in Dubai.

At approximately 12 p.m. EST, UPS Flight 6 from Dubai, UAE, to Cologne, DE, a 747-400 with two crewmembers on board crashed on takeoff. At this time, we have not confirmed any casualties.
Given that until recently I worked for a very similar and just as large company, I'm fairly certain that UPS know which flight phase this unfortunate incident occurred...
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:25
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Dumping fuel?

Just have to say that if they were in fact dumping fuel...it was pretty quick..It's supposed to be a QRH action, and to get to it so quickly after TO makes me wonder what else was happening...low power (as reported here on PP) and fuel dumping so quickly after TO doesn't seem to add up...on the 744 (as with most heavy jets with the capability) dumping fuel to lighten up for a possible return is something that happens sometime later in the decision making process...if a quick return is an issue, an overweight landing can easily be done (esp with longer runways such as DXB) If the DSO people have fuel in their back yards...I wonder what else would have caused that? A leak of some sort after a catastrophic failure? Guess we'll have to wait and see...sad news tonight for sure.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:26
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Wrong direction for return to 30R, visual app to R27 at Minhad possibly, crash site about 2-3 miles from threshold.

While Minhad would make sense, the crew would presumably have been flying a wide turn to return to 30R, after departure from 12L; I guess we'll have to wait for a statement from Dubai ATC, as to whether the crew stated their intentions.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:30
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I confirm the report of Airbus123.
I witnessed the whole thing on the radio while landing into AUH.
After attempting a straight in approach for 12L and getting there high and fast they were suggested to try OMSJ on hdg 090 or make a 360.
I am afraid they lost spacial orientation while trying to join a RH downwidn for 12L.
They seemed to be unable to see any flight instrument or radio in the cockpit and they continously asked for their altitude, speed, heading to ATC through the realy of other airplanes cause they could not see their own radio panel to swith to UAE Control or Dubai Tower.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:31
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Airbus drivers info is sound, the A/C was about 120 miles from Dubai outbound.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:31
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When we were heavy out of Sharjah or DXB, we briefed that if we lost an engine (we were performance limited), the FE would begin dumping immediately on verbal instruction of skipper.

the QRH as we had NO spare performance (DC10-30F).

Yes I've done Perf A etc etc. However when you look at the rate of climb after take off on ALL engines, you can see why.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:37
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If the ATC report is right then a fuel dump makes way more sense... and I stand corrected...BTW there are no FE's on the 744...I will stick to my previous question about dumping fuel right after TO. It would be the PM's job...and at such a busy time?
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:39
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Machaka's map is exactly correct as to the position of the crash site which would be consistent with a 12R departure for Europe. Just had friends who live nearby try to drive out to the site but could not get close.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:41
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Just have to say that if they were in fact dumping fuel...it was pretty quick..It's supposed to be a QRH action, and to get to it so quickly after TO makes me wonder what else was happening...low power (as reported here on PP) and fuel dumping so quickly after TO doesn't seem to add up...on the 744 (as with most heavy jets with the capabilty) dumping fuel to lighten up for a possible return is something that happens sometime later in the decision making process...if a quick return is an issue, an overweight landing can easily be done (esp with longer runways such as DXB) If the DSO people have fuel in their back yards...I wonder what else would have caused that? A leak of some sort after a catastrophic failure? Guess we'll have to wait and see...sad news tonight for sure.
Not all malfunctions develop as "predictable" as a rehearsed simulator script. Could well be that the crew were trying desperately to lower their weight to keep the aircraft flying after loss of thrust (catastrophic multiple engine failure?). No time for QRH when close to the ground and not enough power available to keep the aircraft flying and trying to stay clear off buildings, etc.

Sad, sad day.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:45
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(Reuters) - DUBAI (Reuters) - The bodies of two crew members were recovered after the crash of a plane in Dubai on Friday, the United Arab Emirates' civil aviation authority said in a statement carried by the UAE news agency WAM.
Earlier, delivery firm United Parcel Service Inc said its plane, a Boeing 747-400 had crashed at a Dubai air force base with two crew members on board.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:55
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Multiple malfunctions?

Huh?

If you can't even see your ADI(s), EHSI(s), altimeter(s) on the flightdeck (due smoke), you don't need multiple malfunctions to have a (U)CFIT event.
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 19:56
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They seemed to be unable to see any flight instrument or radio in the cockpit and they continously asked for their altitude, speed, heading to ATC through the realy of other airplanes cause they could not see their own radio panel to swith to UAE Control or Dubai Tower.
I can't imagine a flight deck fire developing into such a dire situation so quickly so it seems to points to a very bad case of cargo fire.

I guess the 747F is equipped with cargo fire suppression ?
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Old 3rd Sep 2010, 20:01
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I guess the 747F is equipped with cargo fire suppression
Not in the main deck, I suspect. Detection, but no suppression.
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