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some officials have decided to tackle the "ATCOs issue" once and for all
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well perhaps if the French are seen to sort out their PROBLEM controllers, the Spanish may be brave enough to get on with it as well. By the way, during your PA's you DO name and shame the controllers or sector, dont you! You never know which politician royalty or press man may be listening!o
The Spanish have called in the Militiary I believe. I have one son stranded at Gatwick for the night hoping to get Ryanair to Alicante in the morning after tonight's flight was cancelled.
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Who needs ash when we have the French ATC?
With an industry battling it's way out of last year this is a great response during the holiday season.
Am not even affected directly. I don't fly AF, even business class because it's the worst service in the world. Am annoyed because I know how peoples day has been affected across all walks of life, personal financial situations and simply the need to be somewhere important to them, all
by a bunch of .
Message to the....
"If you want to annoy the French government, stop paying your taxes and don't annoy everyone else in your pathetic little power struggle. A struggle that will weaken your employer's ability to pay your salary, stop people visiting loved ones, make aircraft burn more fuel and pollute the atmosphere unnecessarily. Stifle business, investment and screw the country in all repects. For what?"
On days like this, what multinational will focus on France to build a new manufacturing plant, production line or new enterprise? They can't even get there to talk about it, let alone do it.
Tough times...coming to a place near you...soon
With an industry battling it's way out of last year this is a great response during the holiday season.
Am not even affected directly. I don't fly AF, even business class because it's the worst service in the world. Am annoyed because I know how peoples day has been affected across all walks of life, personal financial situations and simply the need to be somewhere important to them, all
by a bunch of .Message to the
...."If you want to annoy the French government, stop paying your taxes and don't annoy everyone else in your pathetic little power struggle. A struggle that will weaken your employer's ability to pay your salary, stop people visiting loved ones, make aircraft burn more fuel and pollute the atmosphere unnecessarily. Stifle business, investment and screw the country in all repects. For what?"
On days like this, what multinational will focus on France to build a new manufacturing plant, production line or new enterprise? They can't even get there to talk about it, let alone do it.
Tough times...coming to a place near you...soon
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Great one from French ATC last night. I shouldn't be too upset with them as they were the ones actually at work, but..........
We are into commanders discretion, it is the wrong side of midnight, we had been sat on the ground with pax onboard for 4 hours with slots going forward & back. Finally get told to call Brest...... we must have been the only aircraft in her sector and we got the classic French ATC reply.........
Station Calling?
We are into commanders discretion, it is the wrong side of midnight, we had been sat on the ground with pax onboard for 4 hours with slots going forward & back. Finally get told to call Brest...... we must have been the only aircraft in her sector and we got the classic French ATC reply.........
Station Calling?
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Greusi:
For sure, UK is paradise compared to Froggyland !
By the way, about "new manufacturing plant", except for your London City, give me the list and number of your manufacturing plants as compared to France's
This being said, so many of us here feel so pissed about those french controllers on strike, specially in Orly (not all, otherwise how come 60% of the flight would have been operating ?)
Those are stubborn idiots, I agree, but still a minority giving pain in the ar..s to the rest of the population.
France have those irresponsible... but Greece, Italy, UK, Spain, Portugal have other problems.
Where is the best place to go live ? Is it UK ?
On days like this, what multinational will focus on France to build a new manufacturing plant, production line or new enterprise? They can't even get there to talk about it, let alone do it.
For sure, UK is paradise compared to Froggyland !
By the way, about "new manufacturing plant", except for your London City, give me the list and number of your manufacturing plants as compared to France's
This being said, so many of us here feel so pissed about those french controllers on strike, specially in Orly (not all, otherwise how come 60% of the flight would have been operating ?)
Those are stubborn idiots, I agree, but still a minority giving pain in the ar..s to the rest of the population.
France have those irresponsible... but Greece, Italy, UK, Spain, Portugal have other problems.
Where is the best place to go live ? Is it UK ?
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All countries have their problems mate but we are talking here specifically about the ATC.
UK atc, imho, is the best in europe. Everyone makes mistakes now and then but those guys always seem to be on top of things - have you heard london control at peak times...? In brest theyre confused when controlling 3 a/c. as one poster said "station calling" seems to be a well used phrase, amoungst many other gaffes. If I had an emergency id want london helping me out. simples.
What really gets me is - why do the french/spanish "work to rule" and pi$$ off the entire aviation community?? Surely the sensible thing to do would be to give us directs and help us out (as most/all other atc stations do) as then they would have the backing of the aviation community? Also their gripe is aimed at the governments so why are we bearing the brunt of it all? Its ok for them - as soon as their shift finishes they go home. Forget us all who have been stuck with a 3 hr slot outbound and 2 hr slot inbound, kids / wife / girlfriend / family back home, pax/crew complaining, running out of food and water, unhelpful ground staff, CB dodging enroute, out of hours for tomorrow so loss of earnings...etc etc. Everyones been there and knows the drill.
Not a good way to win support of the masses...
UK atc, imho, is the best in europe. Everyone makes mistakes now and then but those guys always seem to be on top of things - have you heard london control at peak times...? In brest theyre confused when controlling 3 a/c. as one poster said "station calling" seems to be a well used phrase, amoungst many other gaffes. If I had an emergency id want london helping me out. simples.
What really gets me is - why do the french/spanish "work to rule" and pi$$ off the entire aviation community?? Surely the sensible thing to do would be to give us directs and help us out (as most/all other atc stations do) as then they would have the backing of the aviation community? Also their gripe is aimed at the governments so why are we bearing the brunt of it all? Its ok for them - as soon as their shift finishes they go home. Forget us all who have been stuck with a 3 hr slot outbound and 2 hr slot inbound, kids / wife / girlfriend / family back home, pax/crew complaining, running out of food and water, unhelpful ground staff, CB dodging enroute, out of hours for tomorrow so loss of earnings...etc etc. Everyones been there and knows the drill.
Not a good way to win support of the masses...
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They don't give a toss about winning support from anyone. They're civil servants. They have a job for life. They don't have to stay in profit or be efficient. They'll get paid at the end of the month, every month of their career, until they retire, and then they'll get their protected pension, indexed to RPI, forever, no worries.
You and I pay for that, and we will carry on paying for it, even though we wonder whether we will still be employed this time next year, even though we worry about our decreasing and threatened pensions.
You and I pay for that, and we will carry on paying for it, even though we wonder whether we will still be employed this time next year, even though we worry about our decreasing and threatened pensions.
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Everyones been there and knows the drill.
Not a good way to win support of the masses...
Not a good way to win support of the masses...
What can we the "working population" do ?
Take arms and shoot at them ?
Public servant have been prtotected in France since the beginning of 1900. It got worst and worst since 1981.
The actual president is doing his best but he his not Reagan or Margreth.
So long...
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In brest theyre confused when controlling 3 a/c. as one poster said "station calling" seems to be a well used phrase, amoungst many other gaffes. If I had an emergency id want london helping me out. simples.
Seriously could you imagine that from time to time we train some new ATCOs, and we must refrain ourselves (instructors) from taking the mic for minors errors, in order they improve their skills ?
I prefer a trainee asking "station calling" if he doesn't pick the right callsign than one who issue a clearance to the wrong aircraft.
B(r)est regards from B(r)est ACC.
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Seriously could you imagine that from time to time we train some new ATCOs
I had excellent service from France in all sectors I passed through today - Marseille, Bordeaux, Paris and Reims. Directs, and also being allowed to maintain higher levels for ages when normally we are required to descend ridiculously early on one particular route. It was almost as if they were trying to make up for yesterday...!
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Why don't you send them to the UK for training?
. I love this one. Would you be a little consistent with yourself ? Do you want really to downgrade UK service quality ? On one hand, we didn't wait for your brilliant idea to do that. Ab-initio ATCO are sent to UK school during initial training in order to improve English, and we (rated controllers) must participate periodically to local English curses and abroad immersions in UK in order to re-validate our license. That's for English skills.
On the other hand, concerning on job training : Acquiring pure controlling skills (from ab-initio to full rated ATCO) can only been done at the first location where you work, after initial school, because of geography, procedures, and all the stuff that you should know.