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Afriqiyah Airbus 330 Crash

Old 13th May 2010, 13:06
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Charts for TIP

Has anybody charts (links) for landing at TIP ?
Any information for VOR/NDB approach ?
Is there a difference between 09 and 27 runway ? I think about VOR/NDB 09 and ILS on the 27 !

Thanks
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Old 13th May 2010, 13:14
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CWT almost empty, bad insulation of fuel probe wiring. Pitch change at final caused spark just above fuel. Vapour just between upper and lower explosion limits. Production fault.
Wow, the LTSB works pretty fast
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A memorable quote from PJ2

Most in between know nothing and aren't shy about proving it.
I do agree that there is a poor signal to noise ratio in the early posts following any accident. I keep looking for actual links in posts from established news media to support some supposition or questioning. Simply citing ancedotal experience or gut feelings as facts does nothing for a discussion in this section (now in Jet Blast that's the place to discuss

I have no idea what evidence some posters are using to support what may be valid suppositions or areas of investigative interest Perhaps in the sense of Rumors or News an actual specific link might help.

So far I have only seen random badly broken up wreckage with little sign of pool fire.

Occam razor Posibilities for that observation alone might be a flat impact through trees with the fuel tanks somewhere other in the debris pictures than shown todate.

Need more descriptive photos including the engine inlets
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Old 13th May 2010, 13:35
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I have the plates for Rwy 09 on jpeg but don't know how to insert them here.... suggestions please!

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Old 13th May 2010, 13:47
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Yes you can

You have just to make:

Eighter

<a href="name of the Url"> Your comment </a>
or
<img src="name of the Url" alt ="">

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Old 13th May 2010, 13:49
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plates...

try this one - old and maybe not all the approaches, but useful nonetheless...

http://www.filedump.net/dumped/hllt1238362365.pdf
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http://www.filedump.net/dumped/hllt1238362365.pdf

Kind regards, learner...
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Old 13th May 2010, 13:58
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One of the things I don't see emphasized (forgive me if I missed a post that did) is that, no matter how good or bad ATC, Navaids, Wx conditions, or any other external factors may be, it is the pilot/crew's responsibility to know their aircraft and it's capabilities, and to stay within those capabilities, and to stay within their own personal "envelope" of experience and training.

At first blush, this tragedy seems to be caused by the crew going outside of their envelopes... whether by a corporate culture that allows unqualified crews to operate their aircraft, or by an attitude of TIA (This Is Africa), or any other breach of good sense operational standards.

To add to some that others have said... to say that Africa has to adhere to ICAO standards, is fairly naive. The airspace in any country is owned and administered by that country. If they don't meet ICAO standards (this describes most African countries in one way or another) don't be surprised. Most African governments do things their own way, with little regard to anyone else's opinions or "rules".

As someone with a good bit of Africa flying experience, the presence of ATC, in most situations, is a detriment, rather than an enhancement, of safety... and I long for the "good old days" when aircraft talked to one another on a common traffic advisory frequency, and you were rarely in range of a tower with a "controller" in it!

All of that being said, the TIA factor suggests that this won't change anytime soon, and raises a flag to warn that Afriqiyah should be avoided at all costs in your travel plans.
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Thanks all

For your pdf
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Old 13th May 2010, 14:14
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This aircraft had a bad birdstrike through an engine not too long ago, registering max vib, apparently recommended inspection procedures were not followed afterwards.

The crew did indicate a problem before landing. If as reported the aircraft 'exploded' in the air, a possibility is a catastrophic engine separation causing explosion.

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Old 13th May 2010, 14:22
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Hi,

billteasdale

To add to some that others have said... to say that Africa has to adhere to ICAO standards, is fairly naive. The airspace in any country is owned and administered by that country. If they don't meet ICAO standards (this describes most African countries in one way or another) don't be surprised. Most African governments do things their own way, with little regard to anyone else's opinions or "rules".

As someone with a good bit of Africa flying experience, the presence of ATC, in most situations, is a detriment, rather than an enhancement, of safety... and I long for the "good old days" when aircraft talked to one another on a common traffic advisory frequency, and you were rarely in range of a tower with a "controller" in it!
This is not consistant with the above quote

All of that being said, the TIA factor suggests that this won't change anytime soon, and raises a flag to warn that Afriqiyah should be avoided at all costs in your travel plans.
So I correct you

All of that being said, the TIA factor suggests that this won't change anytime soon, and raises a flag to warn that Africa should be avoided at all costs in your travel plans.

IMHO it's unfair.
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Old 13th May 2010, 14:46
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Urgent Advisory from Airbus

Airbus sent to all types operators an urgent advisory regarding the STALL RECOVERY PROCEDURE:

"purpose:

Recent industry events have drawn attention to the importance of appropriate pilot reaction in the case of stall."

This part is followed by flight ops recommendations and training advices..... it may be a clue.
what do you think?
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IMHO it's unfair.
Tell the families of the deceased.
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Old 13th May 2010, 14:58
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#200;
Never seen a so stupid Post
#201;
Has anybody charts (links) for landing at TIP ?
Being new doesn't mean that you have to be ignorant and behaving like a donkey.

What one think is a stupid post can be important to someone else. Asking WHO worked on board could maybe have qualified for a comment.

If you had read the thread you participate in from the beginning, the link for the charts was already at page 3 (#53).

OnT:
Both N'Djamena and Sebha can accommodate a 330.

The investigation team from Airbus is already on location.

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Old 13th May 2010, 15:01
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A330first-officer;
Airbus sent to all types operators an urgent advisory regarding the STALL RECOVERY PROCEDURE:
Was this just issued post-accident and would you have wording or a source of this info? Thanks.

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Old 13th May 2010, 15:04
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I have a copy of the message and it's been sent worldwide few hours after the incident.
Of course it's related to this incident!
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Old 13th May 2010, 15:12
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@sharksandwich (Post #133):
Sorry but the A330 being an unsafe Airplane compared to other planes like the B737 is definitely nonsense.

If you take the number of hull losses and set in relation to the Number of Planes in Service or accumulated Flighthours you would find that it is indeed a very safe Airliner.
I recommend reading for Example Aviation-Safety.net or similar pages before posting such unsubstantiated things !
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Old 13th May 2010, 15:16
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I've read this entire thread and am still vexed.

Winds are light and variable.
The runway is 3600 meters (11,800ft) long
9 has an NDB
27 has an ILS
it is early morning and an non-precision approach has you looking into the sun.

SO, why does this crew elect to conduct a non-precision approach into the sun and not opt for an ILS facing away from the sun?
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Old 13th May 2010, 15:19
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Today's (HLLT) Tripoli charts;

http://www.filedump.net/dumped/hllt1273763935.pdf
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Old 13th May 2010, 15:25
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Airbus sent to all types operators an urgent advisory regarding the STALL RECOVERY PROCEDURE:
Sorry, being a bit of a thick Boeing guy here, but I thought you couldn't stall the more modern Airbus aircraft? Isn't that the whole point of them?
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