Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Rumours & News
Reload this Page >

Emergency landing Cathay A330-300

Wikiposts
Search
Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

Emergency landing Cathay A330-300

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 16th Apr 2010, 11:38
  #61 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Richmond Tasmania
Posts: 92
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hey!...newboy!...

don't hold back...

why don't you tell us what you really think!!
obie2 is offline  
Old 16th Apr 2010, 12:35
  #62 (permalink)  
Wod
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: An old flying boat station on Moreton Bay
Age: 84
Posts: 292
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
He's a relative of FlyBoy737800 - or a clone
Wod is offline  
Old 16th Apr 2010, 14:56
  #63 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Singapore
Posts: 60
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Titan
One engine stuck at Idle Power makes it very different from the CX statement that one engine was at Idle Power on landing. So they had duel engine problems. Thank you for the clearification. I knew I was missing something. Great job.
Fatfish is offline  
Old 17th Apr 2010, 02:13
  #64 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The Airbus A330 has LOTS of problems.

" So they had duel engine problems."

The beleaguered Airbus A330 Just has problems generally, lots of em.
FlyBoy737800 is offline  
Old 17th Apr 2010, 02:38
  #65 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,167
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Yeah right, go to the Fragrant Harbour page and listen to all the CX morons rave on about how superior they are to all the other pilots in the world and that any other airline would have crashed in the same scenario.
As a CX Pilot I cringed when I read those words in the SCMP from what they said was a CX Pilot.....
nitpicker330 is offline  
Old 20th Apr 2010, 14:24
  #66 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: W of 30W
Posts: 1,916
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by 404 Titan
There are some extremely lazy posters on this tread who obviously can’t be bothered reading the thread on Fragrant Harbour or going to the Cathay Pacific web site. If you had you would soon realise that the failures didn’t materialise until top of descent into Hong Kong CLK. I can assure you though that no Cathay Pacific pilot would ever fly past a suitable airport in a twin if we had an engine shut down.

A330 Evac

CX Press Release Details
I try not to be lazy but obviously the mentioned thread has just vanished ... ?

http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...vacuation.html
pprune.org/fragrant-harbour/411928-cx-a330-evacuation.html
CONF iture is offline  
Old 20th Apr 2010, 17:49
  #67 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: California
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Both engines affected?

We know that one engine was stuck at 70%. But do we know that the other was stuck at sub ildle power as has been suggested on this thread? The Cathay Pacific press release was ambiguous on this point.
slatibatfast is offline  
Old 20th Apr 2010, 19:00
  #68 (permalink)  
The Cooler King
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: In the Desert
Posts: 1,703
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
iceman50

I see the TROLL is back.
TROLL-BACK!!!! Mwahahaah!


(I'm here all week!)
Farrell is offline  
Old 21st Apr 2010, 00:48
  #69 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Hilo
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I try not to be lazy but obviously the mentioned thread has just vanished ... ?

CX A330 evacuation
PPRuNe.org/fragrant-harbour/411928-cx-a330-evacuation.html
Wonder why? Some very inconvenient truth perhaps?

This is indeed very odd.
Molokai is offline  
Old 21st Apr 2010, 05:11
  #70 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Permanently lost
Posts: 1,785
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I suspect that the thread was removed by the initiator as it had degenerated into a slanging match.
PLovett is offline  
Old 21st Apr 2010, 09:50
  #71 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Permanently lost
Posts: 1,785
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thank you for copying that over studi as it is the most complete precis of what occurred that I have read.

The Fragrant Harbour thread was a mess of misinformation, quotes from the South China Morning Post and Cathay press releases combined with the usual to and fro of competing egos that it was impossible to get a clear picture of the event.
PLovett is offline  
Old 21st Apr 2010, 09:59
  #72 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Among camels and dunes
Posts: 425
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Eng 1 Stall Ecam Message And Eng 2 Stall Ecam Message, Dual Loss Of Thrust Control

This email arrived from Toulouse, to all operators.



DUAL LOSS OF THRUST CONTROL.

FROM : AIRBUS CUSTOMER SERVICES TOULOUSE

TO : ALL A330 GE PW RR OPERATORS



OPERATORS INFORMATION TELEX - OPERATORS INFORMATION TELEX

TO: A330 OPERATORS

SUBJECT: ATA 71 - ENG 1 STALL ECAM MESSAGE AND ENG 2 STALL ECAM MESSAGE,
DUAL LOSS OF THRUST CONTROL

OUR REF: *********, DATED April 16, 2010

CLASSIFICATION: AIRWORTHINESS

1. PURPOSE

The purpose of this telex is to report an event of engine 1 ECAM stall
message and engine 2 ECAM stall message followed by loss of thrust
control
on both engines.

2. DESCRIPTION

During approach, Eng 1 & 2 Control System faults, Eng 1 Stall and Eng 2
Stall ECAM messages were set. The ECAM Stall message is normally
associated with an engine compressor surge.

The engines did not respond correctly to throttle commands. Autothrottle
was disengaged. At this point engine 1 was operating above idle and
engine
2 was operating sub-idle. The crew issued a Mayday emergency call and
made
an emergency landing during which the engine 1 cowling scraped the
runway.

Upon landing the fire services attended the aircraft; due to concerns
regarding smoke from the wheels and brakes an emergency evacuation of
the
aircraft was commanded.

The event is under investigation by the Hong Kong Civil Aviation
Department
assisted by the UK Air Accident Investigation Branch (AAIB), the French
Air
Accident Bureau (BEA), Airbus and Rolls-Royce.

3. ANALYSIS

PFR, DAR/DFDR and ACMS report data is being analysed by the
investigation
team and fuel samples have been sent to the laboratory for analysis. In
addition the FMU's will be removed and returned to the Supplier for
investigation.
The investigation will examine all aspects related to the flight.

Based on the current analysis, Airbus and Rolls-Royce consider that, at
this stage in the investigation, there is no immediate fleetwide action
required.

4. FOLLOW-UP PLAN

Airbus will update this OIT when final results from the analysis are
available or by end of June 10 at the latest subject to agreement from
the
investigating authority.

Jetjock330 is offline  
Old 21st Apr 2010, 11:37
  #73 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: W of 30W
Posts: 1,916
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The Fragrant Harbour thread was a mess of misinformation, quotes from the South China Morning Post and Cathay press releases combined with the usual to and fro of competing egos that it was impossible to get a clear picture of the event.
Did the words from Toulouse improve the clarity ... ?
CONF iture is offline  
Old 21st Apr 2010, 13:21
  #74 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Permanently lost
Posts: 1,785
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
No but the CX Company News Bulletin did - finally.
PLovett is offline  
Old 21st Apr 2010, 14:56
  #75 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Florida
Posts: 4,569
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Thank you for copying that over studi as it is the most complete precis of what occurred that I have read.

The Fragrant Harbour thread was a mess of misinformation, quotes from the South China Morning Post and Cathay press releases combined with the usual to and fro of competing egos that it was impossible to get a clear picture of the event.
I agree with that assessment.

It's not helpful to be redirected away from a docile and informative thread to a slagging match among egos.

lomapaseo is offline  
Old 22nd Apr 2010, 02:50
  #76 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: W of 30W
Posts: 1,916
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by PLovett
I suspect that the thread was removed by the initiator as it had degenerated into a slanging match.
As I was one of the last one, if not the last to post on this thread, I can say there was nothing really to justify that premature and total disappearance ...


Anyway, to stay with the subject, and as indirectly suggested by the Airbus OIT, it seems logical to suspect that both FMU's found something in the fuel they didn't like. Is there any mechanical part in those units that could have totally seized after 4 hours of this flight ?

The Airbus OIT makes absolutely no mention of some kind of ECAM or parameters fluctuations during the early part of the CRZ phase (?) ... but the message addressed to the CX Airbus Cockpit Crews does. Knowing what we know now, this can be a lesson for next time an engine tries to give early signs even if it's nothing more than the boring ENG MINOR FAULT ECAM MSG.
CONF iture is offline  
Old 22nd Apr 2010, 03:25
  #77 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Florida
Posts: 4,569
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Anyway, to stay with the subject, and as indirectly suggested by the Airbus OIT, it seems logical to suspect that both FMU's found something in the fuel they didn't like. Is there any mechanical part in those units that could have totally seized after 4 hours of this flight ?
It's near universal to protect the controlling innards of the FMU from fuel contamination by virtue of filters relying on fail-safe (at last commanded power) should things go south.

I'm anxious to follow the factual releases on this incident from RR and Airbus.
lomapaseo is offline  
Old 22nd Apr 2010, 03:37
  #78 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Singapore
Posts: 60
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Quote: 'FMU's found something in the fuel they didn't like'
If this is the case, LASAP with an Engine flactuating on a two eng op would be best, I think. I guess thats why we have ETOPS.
Fatfish is offline  
Old 22nd Apr 2010, 03:44
  #79 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: uk
Age: 50
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Can an Airbus pilot confirm how its possible to flare and land an A330 @230kt with an engine jammed @ 70% and one at idle without digging a awfully big hole in the runway or floating down the length of the runway available, if im even15 knots over in a small single the aircraft floats for an eternity how is it possible ?
paweas is offline  
Old 22nd Apr 2010, 04:37
  #80 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Mayberry
Posts: 135
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think the rotor heads call it...

a "run-on landing". You land and then run on for awhile.
Spadhampton is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.