Polish Government Tu154M crash
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1600 m of runway at Smolensk. Bad runway quality. No approach guidances.
As I pressume Tu-154 needs at least 2000 for safe landing
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It is a national disaster, nevertheless political biases
As I pressume Tu-154 needs at least 2000 for safe landing
.It is a national disaster, nevertheless political biases
4 approaches ?????
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More coverage here from an English-language newspaper in Poland
Polish Presidential Plane Crashes
Polish Presidential Plane Crashes
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Pure speculation of course , but if it was a NPA perhaps they got the lights @ low altitude and were attempting to manouvere at low level in poor vis to get a landing out of it it.
Never easy, and the pressure on them to get in, evidenced by the fact it was their 4th attempt ,would no doubt push them to give it a go even if it looked nigh on impossible.
Poor guys, talk about between a rock & a hard place.
Never easy, and the pressure on them to get in, evidenced by the fact it was their 4th attempt ,would no doubt push them to give it a go even if it looked nigh on impossible.
Poor guys, talk about between a rock & a hard place.
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Obviously operating with min fuel would not be an OPTION in this scenario especially when the president along with a truck load of the nations big wigs are on board , but if you get to your destination execute 3 misses and are coming in on the 4th in around 100 mts viz with no guidance ..... your ASKING for trouble !
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Polish president killed in air crash near Russia's Smolensk - RT Top Rated Videos
A Polish journalist, who had flown into Smolensk an hour earlier, describes what occurred (before he is 'cut-off' mid sentence).
The TU154 was attempting to land at a military airport, it seems may not have been suitable for a limited visibility landing.
The crew had been advised by air traffic control to divert to Minsk, but (no doubt because of the time factor) nevertheless attempted to land at the military airport.
A Polish journalist, who had flown into Smolensk an hour earlier, describes what occurred (before he is 'cut-off' mid sentence).
The TU154 was attempting to land at a military airport, it seems may not have been suitable for a limited visibility landing.
The crew had been advised by air traffic control to divert to Minsk, but (no doubt because of the time factor) nevertheless attempted to land at the military airport.
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Official Polish statement simply cites preliminary information suggesting striking trees during go-around, as reported here:
Polish president feared dead in Tu-154 crash
Polish president feared dead in Tu-154 crash
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In 2008 President Kaczynski wanted to land in Georgia, which was at that time under Russian invasion. The captain refused to land (according to him it was too dangerous). He was highly criticized by the President, who actually wanted him to be prosecuted after the incident. So I can imagine the pressure to land at Smolenk was huge, especially today.
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I am very well aware of the significance of the event. Unfortunately this very significance gives support to my thoughts. In aviation in seldom plays well if anything is considered more significant then the laws of gravity. From what is emerging, there was very clear pressure on the crew to land (emphasis: it may have been only percieved pressure).
I am very well aware of the significance of the event. Unfortunately this very significance gives support to my thoughts. In aviation in seldom plays well if anything is considered more significant then the laws of gravity. From what is emerging, there was very clear pressure on the crew to land (emphasis: it may have been only percieved pressure).
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Just try to land at extremely low visibliity at short runway, with bunch of VIPs sitting at your back. No approach guidances, 0 VFR conditions -
do it first and back here with comments.
Just try to land at extremely low visibliity at short runway, with bunch of VIPs sitting at your back. No approach guidances, 0 VFR conditions -
do it first and back here with comments.
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List of those on board. Talk about all your eggs in one basket...
http://www.polskieradio.pl/wiadomosc...kul153440.html
http://www.polskieradio.pl/wiadomosc...kul153440.html
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The B-737 design is a few years older than the Tu-154 one.
If the very dense fog/low cloud at Smolensk was the main cause of the crash, the question is, would another plane with newest avionics made the difference?
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If the very dense fog/low cloud at Smolensk was the main cause of the crash, the question is, would another plane with newest avionics made the difference?
Arrakis