First Officer flies 13 years without license
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This is Shocking! How on earth did the guy get away with for so long!!
Saying that, I know of a source( JAA state) for €15,000 will issue you with a very real but fake JAA CPL/ MEIR/ MCC & TR.
For this €15,000 you will actually get a REAL FAA PPL A, a couple hours flying IFR rules in a small twin and a few hours sitting in a Citation!
This stuff goes on all over the world im affraid!
Go on the black market, you can by yourself almost any PHd out there and even a ATPL!!!!!!!
Saying that, I know of a source( JAA state) for €15,000 will issue you with a very real but fake JAA CPL/ MEIR/ MCC & TR.
For this €15,000 you will actually get a REAL FAA PPL A, a couple hours flying IFR rules in a small twin and a few hours sitting in a Citation!
This stuff goes on all over the world im affraid!
Go on the black market, you can by yourself almost any PHd out there and even a ATPL!!!!!!!
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Saying that, I know of a source( JAA state) for €15,000 will issue you with a very real but fake JAA CPL/ MEIR/ MCC & TR.
Why not name that JAA state ?
PS. They may get boost in their dirty business, but in the same time they may have to give some answers to the rest of world...
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illegal?
OK HERES AN INTERESTING QUESTION
PILOT HAS BRITISH JAA ATPL LICENCE, HE HAS NOT HOWEVER RENEWED HIS LPC (SAY FOR HIS 737) WITHIN HIS JAA LICENCE FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS. HE THEN HAS A SIM RIDE BY A CHECK PILOT FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY, (MIDDLE EAST, ASIA, AFRICA etc) THEN THE GOVERNMENT OF THAT COUNTRY GIVE HIM A VALIDATION (SCRATTY BIT OF PAPER) SAYING "ISSUED ON THE BASIS OF HIS UK ATPL AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH ICAO ANNEX 1 AND CURRENT RULES AND REGULATIONS OF TIMBUKTOO CAA" WITH A PROVISO THAT THE VALIDATION ONLY ALLOWS HIM TO 'EXCERCISE THE PRIVILEGES OF HIS UK ATPL ON TIMBUKTOO REGISTERED AIRCRAFT' AND THEN HE LANDS A 737 AT LONDON HEATHROW.
HE HAS A VALIDATION BASED ON THE PRIVILEGES OF HIS BRITISH JAA LICECE WHICH I BELIEVE IS NOT CURRENT AS HIS JAA LPC (RATING -CERTIFICATE OF REVALIDATION) HAS NOT BEEN SIGNED BY A UK OR JAA APPROVED EXAMINER FOR SEVERAL YEARS
QUESTION IS:
WILL BRITISH CAA DURING A RAMP CHECK, STOP THIS PILOT FROM OPERATING IN BRITISH AIRSPACE ?
I WOULD BE GLAD TO READ INFORMED REPLIES.
PILOT HAS BRITISH JAA ATPL LICENCE, HE HAS NOT HOWEVER RENEWED HIS LPC (SAY FOR HIS 737) WITHIN HIS JAA LICENCE FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS. HE THEN HAS A SIM RIDE BY A CHECK PILOT FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY, (MIDDLE EAST, ASIA, AFRICA etc) THEN THE GOVERNMENT OF THAT COUNTRY GIVE HIM A VALIDATION (SCRATTY BIT OF PAPER) SAYING "ISSUED ON THE BASIS OF HIS UK ATPL AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH ICAO ANNEX 1 AND CURRENT RULES AND REGULATIONS OF TIMBUKTOO CAA" WITH A PROVISO THAT THE VALIDATION ONLY ALLOWS HIM TO 'EXCERCISE THE PRIVILEGES OF HIS UK ATPL ON TIMBUKTOO REGISTERED AIRCRAFT' AND THEN HE LANDS A 737 AT LONDON HEATHROW.
HE HAS A VALIDATION BASED ON THE PRIVILEGES OF HIS BRITISH JAA LICECE WHICH I BELIEVE IS NOT CURRENT AS HIS JAA LPC (RATING -CERTIFICATE OF REVALIDATION) HAS NOT BEEN SIGNED BY A UK OR JAA APPROVED EXAMINER FOR SEVERAL YEARS
QUESTION IS:
WILL BRITISH CAA DURING A RAMP CHECK, STOP THIS PILOT FROM OPERATING IN BRITISH AIRSPACE ?
I WOULD BE GLAD TO READ INFORMED REPLIES.
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If the scrap of paper is issued on the back of an effectively expired license I would say the scrap of paper is even more worthless than is usually the case.
Effectively he is flying unlicensed, and could and indeed should be prevented from commanding an aircraft in UK airspace if this lapse comes to the appropriate authorities attention, whether it is the home country of the licence or A.N.OTHER.
Of course "could" and "should" are not the same as "will".
One of the mysteries of this whole story is how the guy managed to get a Turkish (UK too when with Jet2? ) validation without either of these, and possibly other authorities, cross checking with the Swedes that his ATPL and B737 rating actually existed.
For me , that is perhaps even more scandalous than the actions of the individual concerned. Finally, if no one checks, why do they bother giving you a validation anyhow. . . dog licence ? T.V. licence ? fishing permit ? Yeah Yeah any of those will be fine
Effectively he is flying unlicensed, and could and indeed should be prevented from commanding an aircraft in UK airspace if this lapse comes to the appropriate authorities attention, whether it is the home country of the licence or A.N.OTHER.
Of course "could" and "should" are not the same as "will".
One of the mysteries of this whole story is how the guy managed to get a Turkish (UK too when with Jet2? ) validation without either of these, and possibly other authorities, cross checking with the Swedes that his ATPL and B737 rating actually existed.
For me , that is perhaps even more scandalous than the actions of the individual concerned. Finally, if no one checks, why do they bother giving you a validation anyhow. . . dog licence ? T.V. licence ? fishing permit ? Yeah Yeah any of those will be fine
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as one colleague put right beforehand: that is only the tip of the iceberg:
there are pilots in AI, KAL and alike who faked their hours on type ( B777 ) as to get the job.
ok they might be rated on type but did not actually have the required hours on type...
and the honest guys are automatically in the disadvantage...
sad but true..
there are pilots in AI, KAL and alike who faked their hours on type ( B777 ) as to get the job.
ok they might be rated on type but did not actually have the required hours on type...
and the honest guys are automatically in the disadvantage...
sad but true..
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Well, that is a really strongly worded warning to the rest of us 
I think he should be very grateful they finally caught up with him in the "liberal"
Netherlands, may not have been so pretty in Turkey for example.
Anyway, just popping out to post my application for a 777 job, 737 rating should just about do it Eh
I think he should be very grateful they finally caught up with him in the "liberal"
Netherlands, may not have been so pretty in Turkey for example.Anyway, just popping out to post my application for a 777 job, 737 rating should just about do it Eh
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fox niner,
Strange this, but maybe less of a problem than you think.
In the UK (don't know about other countries) only certain offences are disqualifying for the issue of an airside pass.
AFAIK fraud (or whatever he was finally charged with) does not appear to be one of them, and the fact that he didn't receive a jail sentence makes it even less serious in this respect.
Of course he would have to get a licence, and probably change his name, but compared to what he has done so far that isn't so much of a problem.
My betting is that aviation hasn't seen the end of this guy.
Strange this, but maybe less of a problem than you think.
In the UK (don't know about other countries) only certain offences are disqualifying for the issue of an airside pass.
AFAIK fraud (or whatever he was finally charged with) does not appear to be one of them, and the fact that he didn't receive a jail sentence makes it even less serious in this respect.
Of course he would have to get a licence, and probably change his name, but compared to what he has done so far that isn't so much of a problem.
My betting is that aviation hasn't seen the end of this guy.
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Unbelievable that the guy gets off with such a LIGHT penalty. Thats nothing.
JAA ATPL - €100,000 and three years.
Pronto Print ATPL - €2,000 and one afternoon.
Sounds like a no-brainer to me.
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In other reports it is mentioned that the pilot also was banned from flying for a year... That would mean a serious loss of income, loss of currency and such.
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seeing as his entire income earned as a pilot was the result of a fraudulent act (probably more than one), I could not care less about his income situation. In fact, as the Netherlands have a law that makes it possible to strip assets acquired by illegal means from convicted felons, I wonder if anyone in the legal system would be prepared to go after his estate to make it clear that it is NOT a worthwhile option to commit fraud to gain employment in this industry.
If not, then would any company be willing to sue in a civil case for damages?
I would be most unhappy if this clown just walks away with a 2000 euro fine and a book contract..
If not, then would any company be willing to sue in a civil case for damages?
I would be most unhappy if this clown just walks away with a 2000 euro fine and a book contract..
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MathFox: Ehhh... Are you joking??? The guy does not even have a license.
Banned from flying for a year when he has been flying illegal for 13 years...
That sentence is a big big joke... Why bother with a license?
Banned from flying for a year when he has been flying illegal for 13 years...
That sentence is a big big joke... Why bother with a license?
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Lost count of the people with a licence who can`t fly, and, in fact are dangerous, l`ve flown with over the years and l find it a hoot that the situation has been reversed.
Bye the bye, how many people pontificating here have a current atpl ?
30% ? same thing really l respectfully submit.
Also, with reference to chickens and eggs, l really don`t think that "instructors" came first.
The whole thing is brilliant !
Bye the bye, how many people pontificating here have a current atpl ?
30% ? same thing really l respectfully submit.
Also, with reference to chickens and eggs, l really don`t think that "instructors" came first.
The whole thing is brilliant !
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I remember the chap caught at the UK airline years ago, he was a very competent, nice guy. How he got the licence is another matter. He had a valid UK licence when he joined the company. The CAA issued his licence and one assumes went through his log book as they did at that time and I assume still do. As far as I am aware his references checked out etc. As I recall he only got caught because he told everyone he flew with the RAF. He one day mentioned a Squadron and date to the wrong person who did not remember him from his own time with the same Squadron, he had been on the squadron during the same period as this gentleman claimed to have been there. Questions were asked and the rest is history.
These things can and do happen from time to time. I remember being told by some friends who had been flying in the US many years ago that they watched a chap taxi in and park leaving his aircraft with it's engine running on the flight line. He then walked in to the restaurant and ordered breakfast. After a short while they decided to mention to the chap that he had left his engine running thinking perhaps he was just a little absent minded. They were a little shocked by his reply, he smiled politely and said he was building hours! He was logging his hours on the Hobbs meter. His flying was apparently being paid for by his national airline!
I guess this sort of fraud happens in all walks of life one way or another, telling fibs about academic qualifications or experience etc. I seem to remember the wife of a UK politician was accused of doing this recently.
A friend who runs a computer company sets a practical test for new engineers as he has been caught before by such practices.
If someone is good at their job and has got in to that position by lying about qualifications they will only be found out if they give you a reason to look more closely at their history. One would like to think with all the checks these days in our industry it is very unlikely someone could get away with it now.
These things can and do happen from time to time. I remember being told by some friends who had been flying in the US many years ago that they watched a chap taxi in and park leaving his aircraft with it's engine running on the flight line. He then walked in to the restaurant and ordered breakfast. After a short while they decided to mention to the chap that he had left his engine running thinking perhaps he was just a little absent minded. They were a little shocked by his reply, he smiled politely and said he was building hours! He was logging his hours on the Hobbs meter. His flying was apparently being paid for by his national airline!
I guess this sort of fraud happens in all walks of life one way or another, telling fibs about academic qualifications or experience etc. I seem to remember the wife of a UK politician was accused of doing this recently.
A friend who runs a computer company sets a practical test for new engineers as he has been caught before by such practices.
If someone is good at their job and has got in to that position by lying about qualifications they will only be found out if they give you a reason to look more closely at their history. One would like to think with all the checks these days in our industry it is very unlikely someone could get away with it now.
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