First Officer flies 13 years without license
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First Officer flies 13 years without license
At least he was not captain any more (I am sure that's the same guy):
http://www.pprune.org/italian-forum/...andalo-ap.html
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Doug,
Sam is right. Your TRE signature is valid immediatly. But the paperwork goes to the issuing authority and it is checked there. So in practice, if the TRE amkes a serious paperwork error, you could get a call in 2 weeks saying your rating is not valid....and it happens.
the system is based on the fact that the TRE is probably a real TRE and he didn't make any mistakes. If you look at the opposite type of system....well it would be hell for us....having to wait until your paperwrok is rubber stamped by 10 departments in your CAA and then you go to the belgrano to collect your license after queueing for half a day!!! I think we have it 'sensible' where it's at....don't knock it
BH
Sam is right. Your TRE signature is valid immediatly. But the paperwork goes to the issuing authority and it is checked there. So in practice, if the TRE amkes a serious paperwork error, you could get a call in 2 weeks saying your rating is not valid....and it happens.
the system is based on the fact that the TRE is probably a real TRE and he didn't make any mistakes. If you look at the opposite type of system....well it would be hell for us....having to wait until your paperwrok is rubber stamped by 10 departments in your CAA and then you go to the belgrano to collect your license after queueing for half a day!!! I think we have it 'sensible' where it's at....don't knock it
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Quite some years ago now, I flew with (and trained - or tried to) a captain who was eventually (after three *** years!!!) "let go", who every other pilot (including the trainers!) in the airline, except to the chief pilot, (who was a friend and who'd employed him over the phone), was sure had a cooked logbook, if not licence.
He came in as a DEC, and if he really had been a captain before, God help us all. Everyone in the airline thought he'd been an FE at most in his previous airline. He eventually got chopped when he transferred to another fleet - (after three years of scaring his crews senseless on the previous fleet) - and really scared a training captain on the new type during line training.
As far as I know, he returned to his home country (that big one north of Mexico) and continued to fly.
In a similar vein, three DECs arrived at a very well known major South East Asian airline some years ago and aced in their sim training, but once out on the line, had major difficulties dealing with enroute weather and even moreso, all those little pre-departure problems that a captain has to deal with before engine start.
Turned out they'd been sim instructors on the type they came to their new airline as DECs - but actually flew the line for a couple of weeks before that became obvious and they were terminated.
He came in as a DEC, and if he really had been a captain before, God help us all. Everyone in the airline thought he'd been an FE at most in his previous airline. He eventually got chopped when he transferred to another fleet - (after three years of scaring his crews senseless on the previous fleet) - and really scared a training captain on the new type during line training.
As far as I know, he returned to his home country (that big one north of Mexico) and continued to fly.
In a similar vein, three DECs arrived at a very well known major South East Asian airline some years ago and aced in their sim training, but once out on the line, had major difficulties dealing with enroute weather and even moreso, all those little pre-departure problems that a captain has to deal with before engine start.
Turned out they'd been sim instructors on the type they came to their new airline as DECs - but actually flew the line for a couple of weeks before that became obvious and they were terminated.
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Facts..
He was a Captain with Corendon, and the AMS base Captain
He was promoted in Air One about 1997-1998
He left Air One and flew briefly for a Leeds-based low-cost carrier, based in BFS
He has been a Captain with Corendon since 2008
I have worked with him and alongside him in all 3 airlines
He was extremely proficient in handling the B737, had training as TRI, and never had any problem with checks
He was a Captain with Corendon, and the AMS base Captain
He was promoted in Air One about 1997-1998
He left Air One and flew briefly for a Leeds-based low-cost carrier, based in BFS
He has been a Captain with Corendon since 2008
I have worked with him and alongside him in all 3 airlines
He was extremely proficient in handling the B737, had training as TRI, and never had any problem with checks
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You would have thought by that time he would have covered his tracks by ensuring a valid licence somewhere when he changed jobs and doing a necessary conversion exam, while hoping the original licensing authority's incompetence continued to that point.
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Doug The Head: " ... but I guess that this can be circumvented by giving bankrupt airlines (plenty of those around!) as past employers! 
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hmmm, I would never have thought of that. Thanks a bunch.
All I need now are the right threads ....
"hmmm, I would never have thought of that. Thanks a bunch.
All I need now are the right threads ....
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Are we heading for the same scenario with aircrew as we have with car drivers - you know - technically fine, but don't have the right papers like license, insurance, MOT etc etc?
It is very difficult to become a commercial pilot and costs loadsamoney so, er, why bother? This guy has opened up a whole can of worms, IMHO. How many more are there?
I feel a "due diligence" docs check coming on.....
It is very difficult to become a commercial pilot and costs loadsamoney so, er, why bother? This guy has opened up a whole can of worms, IMHO. How many more are there?
I feel a "due diligence" docs check coming on.....
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Flapassym and others.
Don't let your impatience with due process blind you to the fact that this guy broke the law and, more importantly, broke the contract of faith with his employers (granted they should have been more diligent) and the passengers he carried. Would you really want your teeth drilled by someone with a faked dentist's qualification?
He will doubtless be prosecuted and,I would hope, have his fitness to hold a licence in the future assessed. Leave the romantic idealism to Ernest K Gann's characters.
Don't let your impatience with due process blind you to the fact that this guy broke the law and, more importantly, broke the contract of faith with his employers (granted they should have been more diligent) and the passengers he carried. Would you really want your teeth drilled by someone with a faked dentist's qualification?
He will doubtless be prosecuted and,I would hope, have his fitness to hold a licence in the future assessed. Leave the romantic idealism to Ernest K Gann's characters.
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Dodgy podgy pilots?
You ain't seen nothing yet!; wait till someone delve deeply into pilots at Korean. The hordes of fella with dodgy flying hours, ratings and " claimed experience ".
The recent massive recruitment exercise has attracted a great many adventurers with glib tongues and computerized log book entries, easily fooling the Korean flight admin and TREs/TRIs. Some are showed up during training with foreign LIPs who chose to maintain " expat solidarity " and cleared those con artists through the hoops.
The recent massive recruitment exercise has attracted a great many adventurers with glib tongues and computerized log book entries, easily fooling the Korean flight admin and TREs/TRIs. Some are showed up during training with foreign LIPs who chose to maintain " expat solidarity " and cleared those con artists through the hoops.
Can't help wondering if those who would let him go with a slap on the wrists would feel the same if this discovery had been made following a fatal accident with him at the controls. 
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It's just the tip of the iceberg anyway. According to a friend of mine who was flying in West Africa - he said he'd flown with people who hadn't a clue. Not the locals mind, but nationals from the Asian sub continent and former Eastern Bloc countries. Fictional logbooks of course are already "de riguer", so the license is logical next step. Take people who have lost the licenses for various reasons, new ID, new license, still can walk the walk and talk the talk. Money buys you anything, if you can get a vitually perfect forged passport why not a license?
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Ventus, well said! The last captain who lapsed into a coma over this way had a very experienced F/O with him, a good thing as the weather was typical Canadian winter crap, it just stuns me that we fly our little corporate aircraft with two high time pilots , but share the sky with outfits run by bean counters, however the public just dont seem to understand the underlying reason behind some of the latest cases of bent tin.{speed back to 85kts in a 37 and nobody does a friggin thing?}
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