American to furlough as many as 175 pilots
The problem with yield management in a downturn is it doesn't really work if your competitors don't play ball too.
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The real problem is "DEREGULATION".
Pax have been spoiled with the cuthroat fares that airlines used to run each other out of business and they now resist any fare increases.
The airline employees have had to pay for this folly.
Pax have been spoiled with the cuthroat fares that airlines used to run each other out of business and they now resist any fare increases.
The airline employees have had to pay for this folly.
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the airline world needs a Steve Jobs! that's it! that's the solution to our problems!
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The real problem is stupidity
As Elizabeth Taylor once said, "If someone is stupid enough to offer me a million dollars to make a movie, I am not stupid enough to say no."
If low fares are on offer, passengers will take them. It may surprise some as here but airlines are not in business to provide (high paying) jobs to employees. They are in business to make money. (something very few do)
What seems to elude so many pilots is you want good cash, work for someone ,Southwest, UPS, FEDEX, who makes money.
Do you think that customers will shell over extra so you can make more money?
Regulation is not coming back as there are more passengers who vote than airline employees.
AS someone else on here likes to say, "Them's the facts"
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If low fares are on offer, passengers will take them. It may surprise some as here but airlines are not in business to provide (high paying) jobs to employees. They are in business to make money. (something very few do)
What seems to elude so many pilots is you want good cash, work for someone ,Southwest, UPS, FEDEX, who makes money.
Do you think that customers will shell over extra so you can make more money?
Regulation is not coming back as there are more passengers who vote than airline employees.
AS someone else on here likes to say, "Them's the facts"
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As SLF on mostly long haul flights I am more than willing to pay more for a flight when it means that the crew and other employees are happy, when it means the airline is safer and planes better maintained, and when the my on board experience is more relaxing.
What really gets my goat is all the pricing games played by airlines. A few years ago I read an analogy of airline pricing vs. painting a house. That exemplifies what I mean.
What I really want is for airlines to figure out how much it costs to do a flight safely and responsibly (fair pay etc.), divide it by the number of seats, add 10% profit and charge me that. Not all SLF are so blind as to only take the cheapest price and expect prices below cost, but many of us want game free pricing.
What really gets my goat is all the pricing games played by airlines. A few years ago I read an analogy of airline pricing vs. painting a house. That exemplifies what I mean.
What I really want is for airlines to figure out how much it costs to do a flight safely and responsibly (fair pay etc.), divide it by the number of seats, add 10% profit and charge me that. Not all SLF are so blind as to only take the cheapest price and expect prices below cost, but many of us want game free pricing.
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Deregulation??? Smoke and Mirrors?? All talk we had as Eastern pilots 20 years ago. But then there was greed within ALPA to take our jobs, routes, and equipment. When a group fails to maintain cohesiveness in times of uncertainty and upheaval you end up facing the consequences at a later time down the road.
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The nice thing with so many furloughs, is that there may be overtime flights for the pilots who didnt get furloughed when management finds themselves short-staffed on occasion! 
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I just love the way you folks hide "being out of bloody work" I just got furloughed
Y'all got let go, your out of work, and you don't have ALPA guarantees of recall Be honest with yourselves, I've worked with folks who've been laid off 2, 3 and in one case 4 times by a US Flag Carrier
I'm not criticising (English, English spelling), just commenting from past observations going back to the 1970s.
Good luck folks, I wish you all the best
Y'all got let go, your out of work, and you don't have ALPA guarantees of recall Be honest with yourselves, I've worked with folks who've been laid off 2, 3 and in one case 4 times by a US Flag CarrierI'm not criticising (English, English spelling), just commenting from past observations going back to the 1970s.
Good luck folks, I wish you all the best
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AA management is trying to scare the pilots and other employee groups. Everyone has contracts in talks right now and all the big-bonus execs want more and more concessions from everybody. ALL employee groups are po'd and see that strikes are inevitable.
Unless AMR puts in a new leadership team at AA, the airline is on the fast track to BK.
Unless AMR puts in a new leadership team at AA, the airline is on the fast track to BK.
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20driver writes:
As Elizabeth Taylor once said, "If someone is stupid enough to offer me a million dollars to make a movie, I am not stupid enough to say no."
If low fares are on offer, passengers will take them. It may surprise some as here but airlines are not in business to provide (high paying) jobs to employees. They are in business to make money. (something very few do)
As Elizabeth Taylor once said, "If someone is stupid enough to offer me a million dollars to make a movie, I am not stupid enough to say no."
If low fares are on offer, passengers will take them. It may surprise some as here but airlines are not in business to provide (high paying) jobs to employees. They are in business to make money. (something very few do)
We've seen the shift in priority due to deregulation - carriers were once very interested in differentiating themselves on several levels. Pay and prestige to attract the best employees, which they relied upon to create the best customer experience.
Then, having those customers create sales through hearty personal endorsements.
Now we have a market driven by the lowest common denominator - the idiot who is willing to be treated like livestock to save a few bucks.
Troubling is the fact that one only needs to read the news to realize that many of the buffoons clogging airports don't have any business being in public.
Something which has been mentioned in many threads here is the "ever-declining ability and trustworthyness" of airline pilots. (Don't go searching for that exact quote, it's a synthetic of many posts. And don't go flaming until you read all of this post.)
One thing I'd like to mention from my point of view - I am usually in F - is that the quality of pax has been declining as well. We always had the odd college student heading for spring break or the squalling baby. But now there are just so many f*cking idiots and cretins waiting to show the very worst behavior.
My thoughts are with the AA folks, I hope things work out for the best for you.
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What a joke. AA furloughs when loads are 80%. Jeez.
Now they think that also applies to most midsized cities.
It's not about loads, its about routes.
