Lufthansa Pilots to ballot on strike action
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As a matter of fact
- most LH fleet C- and D-checks are done outside Germany since the early 1990s
- the facilities are called Shannon, Budapest, Manila, Malta and Sofia and were established in that order, Sofia opened last in 2008
- all facilities were established with the unanimous voting of the board of directors on which sit union and workers council members
- employment in Germany in Base and Line Maintenance has GROWN by about 1,000 employees in the same timeframe, i.e. in Frankfurt, Hamburg and Berlin mainly, e.g. by converting qualifications to special products as tankers, state and private aircraft to name a few
- not everybody could stay in exactly the same job at exactly the same airport, but this is normal life in commercial aviation
- worldwide employment has grown by about 2,000 employees in the facilities above
So where is the point here?
- most LH fleet C- and D-checks are done outside Germany since the early 1990s
- the facilities are called Shannon, Budapest, Manila, Malta and Sofia and were established in that order, Sofia opened last in 2008
- all facilities were established with the unanimous voting of the board of directors on which sit union and workers council members
- employment in Germany in Base and Line Maintenance has GROWN by about 1,000 employees in the same timeframe, i.e. in Frankfurt, Hamburg and Berlin mainly, e.g. by converting qualifications to special products as tankers, state and private aircraft to name a few
- not everybody could stay in exactly the same job at exactly the same airport, but this is normal life in commercial aviation
- worldwide employment has grown by about 2,000 employees in the facilities above
So where is the point here?
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- employment in Germany in Base and Line Maintenance has GROWN by about 1,000 employees in the same timeframe,
Keeping C and D check within LH, what number of jobs would this mean?
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Well, it is being done within LH, but at a foreing subsidiary.
As PAX, I am slightly more comfortable with that than with majors such as ANA farming out maintenance to Thailand to an operation they do not control.
As PAX, I am slightly more comfortable with that than with majors such as ANA farming out maintenance to Thailand to an operation they do not control.
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In which world are you living, BRE? I remember very well that a highly reputated charter airline from your country had all the 727 heavy maintenance done in Taipeh.
That was more then thirty years ago. Get real - times have changed. Airline people,
in my view, shouldn´t think " national " anyway. Pride and loyality regarding their
company is a different story.
That was more then thirty years ago. Get real - times have changed. Airline people,
in my view, shouldn´t think " national " anyway. Pride and loyality regarding their
company is a different story.
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Let me put it this way, I would feel better if reputable airlines did their heavy maintenance in their own facilities on their home turf - less chance of things lost in translation or across a cultural divide. Since things can no longer be this way, which one has to acknowledge, I fell better if said reputable airline sets up and runs its own overseas maintenance centers.
The first thing Thai did after winning the maintenance contract for ANA's 747 fleet was to torch one of those. Also, there are quite a few hints on the net about creative maintenance that was discovered on ex-Thai 747s on entering the second hand market.
The first thing Thai did after winning the maintenance contract for ANA's 747 fleet was to torch one of those. Also, there are quite a few hints on the net about creative maintenance that was discovered on ex-Thai 747s on entering the second hand market.
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Lufthansa pilot's defending the profession
I would say that the Lufthansa pilot's union was pretty smart. By threatening the strike they accomplished two things: 1. Forced Lufthansa to cancel many flights with a financial penalty,and 2. Got the traveling public's attention.
I wish the union well. They are defending the industry and the scope issues for the all pilots. If we lose this battle, a pilot will just be another bus driver paid accordingly.
I wish the union well. They are defending the industry and the scope issues for the all pilots. If we lose this battle, a pilot will just be another bus driver paid accordingly.
Multiple choice time
Your company is outsourcing its flying. You:
a) do nothing, lose your job as your company thrives.
b) go on strike, risk losing your job when the company goes down if MGT turns out to be insanely obstinate and would rather fly company into ground than "lose face" but then there is possible gain of being recognized as something that just can't be trampled over.
Easy one, isn't it?
With a lot of bitterness yet without any irony I can say: thank you pilots of Vereinigung Cockpit for standing up for all of us invertebrate flyers.
We did s-word for Germanwings
There is no legal way we can do anything about it in our Boratstan.
a) do nothing, lose your job as your company thrives.
b) go on strike, risk losing your job when the company goes down if MGT turns out to be insanely obstinate and would rather fly company into ground than "lose face" but then there is possible gain of being recognized as something that just can't be trampled over.
Easy one, isn't it?
With a lot of bitterness yet without any irony I can say: thank you pilots of Vereinigung Cockpit for standing up for all of us invertebrate flyers.
We did s-word for Germanwings
There is no legal way we can do anything about it in our Boratstan.
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Maybe there will be new opportunities for new pilot jobs at Lufthansa. Hopefully, contracting agencies seize the opportunity to sell their cadets to Lufthansa. There is a lot of money to be made with the pay to fly schemes! It would be great to see Lufthansa follow the lead of fine airlines such as Ryan Air and EasyJet!
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LH pilots' action has been in the limelight during our latest social processes here at AF. All AF pilots have been pretty admiring of the way you have conducted this move. Well done ! I only wish we could prove to be that smart and focused.
If only all pilots throughout Europe could be that united, our profession would not be stuck in such low standards today.
If only all pilots throughout Europe could be that united, our profession would not be stuck in such low standards today.
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FRANKFURT (AP) The union for striking Lufthansa pilots has agreed to suspend their walkout until March 9.
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From little things big things grow
Full credit to the Lufthansa employees considering this action. What is heartening is that there also seems to be some sign of life in some of the airline unions in Australia and the UK. Perhaps the unions will consider "globalising" in the not too distant future.Thanks once again.
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Goodmorning Studi and thanks a lot for your info!
Sorry..What does it mean about LHI "..but has to apply normal Lufthansa selection standards.."???..The selection have always been based on the Lufthansa classic scheme as:
1) DLR in Hamburg
2)Simulator for basic IFR and CRM
3)FQ in Hamburg
4)Final interview in Hamburg
5)Medical in Frankfurt
Is there anything else than this?All my collegues working in DLH they went through this same process.Or am I wrong?
Viele Grusse!;-)
Sorry..What does it mean about LHI "..but has to apply normal Lufthansa selection standards.."???..The selection have always been based on the Lufthansa classic scheme as:
1) DLR in Hamburg
2)Simulator for basic IFR and CRM
3)FQ in Hamburg
4)Final interview in Hamburg
5)Medical in Frankfurt
Is there anything else than this?All my collegues working in DLH they went through this same process.Or am I wrong?
Viele Grusse!;-)
re LH-Italia positions (see A, 9. II in the document):
- DLR-Test in a specific "regional" (in Italian?) form
- Capatain´s positions currently offered to mainline FOs
- will then be offered leave (!) and a local contract (!)
Sorry folks, but the proposal is in German...
Lots of discussions next week, but I guess we´ll have to accept it now.
I just hope that all the Effos have understood how the Captains have stood behind them, have given/paid them quite a few perspectives and stop complaining about having to go on the bigbus!!
- DLR-Test in a specific "regional" (in Italian?) form
- Capatain´s positions currently offered to mainline FOs
- will then be offered leave (!) and a local contract (!)
Sorry folks, but the proposal is in German...
Lots of discussions next week, but I guess we´ll have to accept it now.
I just hope that all the Effos have understood how the Captains have stood behind them, have given/paid them quite a few perspectives and stop complaining about having to go on the bigbus!!
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"I just hope that all the Effos have understood how the Captains have stood behind them, have given/paid them quite a few perspectives and stop complaining about having to go on the bigbus!! "
Now who would complain about having to drive a big bus
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Now who would complain about having to drive a big bus
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