EU to lift liquids ban in 2012......
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EU to lift liquids ban in 2012......
According to this article
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...ty-proposals-air-travel-disruption
EU security officials have looked into lifting the current liquids in hand luggage ban. The article states that from 2012 the EU will lift the current liquids ban at airports in the EU handling over 10 million passengers.
Airports handling less than 10 million will have to wait until 2014 for the ban to lifted at their airport. However the smaller airports can have the ban lifted in 2012 if they invest in new scanners that can detect suspect liquids.
Additionally passengers from non EU countries will be able to carry liquids on internal EU flights from next year.
These proposals were discussed during a meeting in Brussels last week of security officials from EU member states and will be subject to further consultation before being put to the European parliament. The parliament has asked the commission to draft new guidelines by 30 April 2010, when current regulations expire.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...ty-proposals-air-travel-disruption
EU security officials have looked into lifting the current liquids in hand luggage ban. The article states that from 2012 the EU will lift the current liquids ban at airports in the EU handling over 10 million passengers.
Airports handling less than 10 million will have to wait until 2014 for the ban to lifted at their airport. However the smaller airports can have the ban lifted in 2012 if they invest in new scanners that can detect suspect liquids.
Additionally passengers from non EU countries will be able to carry liquids on internal EU flights from next year.
These proposals were discussed during a meeting in Brussels last week of security officials from EU member states and will be subject to further consultation before being put to the European parliament. The parliament has asked the commission to draft new guidelines by 30 April 2010, when current regulations expire.
More confusion to reign..........
The sole sensible suggestion in this lot appears to be the suggestion to allow transfer passengers to keep their duty free.
To have different rules at different airports, with less restrictions at busier airports, based solely (it appears) on the number of passengers passing through makes no sense, or are the EU & security bods conspiring against the poor travelling sods to yank our collective chains once more?
Surely it would make more sense to approve the types of scanning machines & mandate that commercial airports should have them installed by a specific date & then relax the liquid ban say three months after this date to allow for screw-ups, late deliveries, training periods & other delays?
Oh, wait one - that's horribly close to applying common sense. That'll never happen.
The sole sensible suggestion in this lot appears to be the suggestion to allow transfer passengers to keep their duty free.
To have different rules at different airports, with less restrictions at busier airports, based solely (it appears) on the number of passengers passing through makes no sense, or are the EU & security bods conspiring against the poor travelling sods to yank our collective chains once more?
Surely it would make more sense to approve the types of scanning machines & mandate that commercial airports should have them installed by a specific date & then relax the liquid ban say three months after this date to allow for screw-ups, late deliveries, training periods & other delays?
Oh, wait one - that's horribly close to applying common sense. That'll never happen.
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there are currently machines in various 'undisclosed' airports around the EU going through a testing period scanning for liquid explosives. Maybe by 2012 the technology will be perfected, but by which point there will almost certainly be something else to defend against.
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How right you are magicmorris!
The only country applying the full rules is the UK; yet the EU now proudly proclaims that the rules will be relaxed across the EU from 2012. But they already are except for the UK?
Have the 'rules' prevented any 'occurrence' on a flight departing from the UK? We will never know, but I would have expected some organisation to have carried out some act elsewhere in the world if their security systems were so inadequate as the stringent regulations in the UK suggest they must be.
The last time I posted a thread on this subject it was rapidly removed, so I suggest you copy this one now!
The only country applying the full rules is the UK; yet the EU now proudly proclaims that the rules will be relaxed across the EU from 2012. But they already are except for the UK?
Have the 'rules' prevented any 'occurrence' on a flight departing from the UK? We will never know, but I would have expected some organisation to have carried out some act elsewhere in the world if their security systems were so inadequate as the stringent regulations in the UK suggest they must be.
The last time I posted a thread on this subject it was rapidly removed, so I suggest you copy this one now!
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Liquids rule changes
Given that it appears to the average punter that everything associated with air travel is designed to make the whole experience as horrible as possible, this step is fully in line with that proposal and will add a new and exciting level of complexity to journeys.
But ministers don't care because they get whisked around the unwashed and never have to cope with the mayhem.
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But ministers don't care because they get whisked around the unwashed and never have to cope with the mayhem.
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Explosives 'inside' suicide bomber
I kid you not...
See: BBC NEWS | Middle East | Explosives 'inside' suicide bomber
See: BBC NEWS | Middle East | Explosives 'inside' suicide bomber
An al-Qaeda suicide bomber who died last month while trying to blow up a Saudi prince in Jeddah had hidden the explosives inside his body.
Security and intelligence experts are worried that current security checks would not prevent this technique.
Security and intelligence experts are worried that current security checks would not prevent this technique.
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OFFS....
Just go's to prove that if you want to get the job done, you can. If this can stop in 2012 then just stop it now......
Otherwise under current regs terrs can bypass anyway. Bottle of duty free tequila gives sharp knife like object plus nicely flammable liquid if broken
etc etc .....................................doh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just go's to prove that if you want to get the job done, you can. If this can stop in 2012 then just stop it now......
Otherwise under current regs terrs can bypass anyway. Bottle of duty free tequila gives sharp knife like object plus nicely flammable liquid if broken
etc etc .....................................doh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Stop it now? NO No No
They just created all these, otherwise useless, jobs all around airports around the world. If they would stop this rule now all these people would find themselves without a job once more.
Why do you think they do everything they do, including annoying people from the moment they step into an airport, with such desparation and conviction? Exactly, to prove the use and value of their job.
As said above...when one wants to get the job done, he will find a way to do so. This is the sad truth about aviation and its an absolute fantasy to even remotely believe that aviation can be 100% terrorism free!
They just created all these, otherwise useless, jobs all around airports around the world. If they would stop this rule now all these people would find themselves without a job once more.
Why do you think they do everything they do, including annoying people from the moment they step into an airport, with such desparation and conviction? Exactly, to prove the use and value of their job.
As said above...when one wants to get the job done, he will find a way to do so. This is the sad truth about aviation and its an absolute fantasy to even remotely believe that aviation can be 100% terrorism free!
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This would make air travel easier and more convenient ! If we daydream of them really waving the bottle ban
I am pretty sure that they will come up with some ugly other time consuming procedure
in order to be able to employ some less intelligent and less motivated state employees.
Look at the US example, TSA according to my experience is a gigantic program to get underintelligent unfriendly people into federal health care. Do we really think that these morons "make America safer" ?
I am pretty sure that they will come up with some ugly other time consuming procedure in order to be able to employ some less intelligent and less motivated state employees.Look at the US example, TSA according to my experience is a gigantic program to get underintelligent unfriendly people into federal health care. Do we really think that these morons "make America safer" ?
Look at the US example, TSA according to my experience is a gigantic program to get underintelligent unfriendly people into federal health care. Do we really think that these morons "make America safer" ?
The more serious issue is the powers of the US Patriot Act. Whenever "patriotism" starts to enter the dialogue, I get very worried and alert as to what civil rights and freedoms as guaranteed by the Constitution are about to be taken away in the name of "fighting terrorism".
I first ran across this image on the way to Yosemite National Park at a small wayside gas station run by a New Zealander who'd been there for 30 years. I bought two of the T-shirts and have worn them in the US since, without result except for people who ask where they can get one, (available on the web by typing in fighting terrorism since 1492).
The poster says it all and it is not just applicable to the US. The message applies everywhere but it is the US which takes away its citizens' freedoms in the name of terrorism. It is at once respectful of the original dissidents and poignant in its very current message.
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I understand that the Smiths BS 16HR DV Body Scanner was designed for just this purpose - it will pick up any internal foreign bodies from drugs to explosives in a 7 second inspection cycle. It has been approved by the UK Health Protection Agency but DfT still bumbling!
Come on DfT move a bit quicker!
Come on DfT move a bit quicker!
I understand that the Smiths BS 16HR DV Body Scanner was designed for just this purpose - it will pick up any internal foreign bodies from drugs to explosives in a 7 second inspection cycle. It has been approved by the UK Health Protection Agency but DfT still bumbling!
Come on DfT move a bit quicker!
Come on DfT move a bit quicker!
An internal body scanner.
As a routine check? Just to get on an aeroplane?
Please tell me you are kidding?
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24th September 2009 23:19 manrow
How right you are magicmorris!
The only country applying the full rules is the UK; yet the EU now proudly proclaims that the rules will be relaxed across the EU from 2012. But they already are except for the UK?
How right you are magicmorris!
The only country applying the full rules is the UK; yet the EU now proudly proclaims that the rules will be relaxed across the EU from 2012. But they already are except for the UK?
On what grounds do you say the UK is the only country applying "the full rules". And what do you mean by the "Full Rules"? What do the Uk enforce over and above the non-"full rules"?
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The same rules are in force, and enforced, whenever I've flown from German or Belgian airports recently
Thats just 2 countries so far. Certainly Turkey sounds different!
The same rules are in force, and enforced, whenever I've flown from German or Belgian airports recently
Thats just 2 countries so far. Certainly Turkey sounds different!