Saha Air 707 loses 2 on climb out

[Slats One]

Cannot see this anywhere here? Did we miss it? Or am I blind...

Aug 3 Iran. Saha Air Boeing 707 lost 2 donks with fire on T/O: Seems well handled- returned on remaining 2 and had a minor runway excursion.

If reports accurate, it was v well handled. They got the fires out. Odd how the national media ignore it - must be a non story for some reason- ah -no schools, old girls, or horrid celebrities involved....

[Wycombe]

I believe this is about the last civil pax-carrying 707 operating worldwide.

[Slats One]

Hmm - a bit of a snide shot across my bows there , and for your info, there is plenty of freely available information in Iran - it is called the web and played a major part in recent socio-political events there. Teheran was remarkably switched on when I last saw it, in February..

Its not all Mullahs and media profiling you know.

Back on the topic, indeed, we may have just seen the end of that last schduled B-707 service....

[Der absolute Hammer]

For those who like to read Thursday's papers on Friday and who like to keep a broad breast on world affairs, the story is in today's
Tehran Times.
It is in English for those of you who do not speak Farsi and, even without having to use a dictionary, it should provide the possibilities for endless discussion , possibly if traditionally, of a most useless nature.

tehran times : Passenger plane makes emergency landing in Ahvaz

[captjns]

Bin the political bull ****. The good old 707 is a handful with an outboard motor gone, let alone two on the same side, especially at low speeds and high power settings. Bottom line the crew recognized a problem, dealt with it appropriately, and nobody went to the hospital.

Kudos to the crew for a successful outcome.

[Scimitar]

This was reported on the JACDEC website yesterday.

I'm impressed that they got it round the circuit with two out on one side. Not a happy situation. I never flew the 707 but the DC8 was a handful with two out.

[411A]

I'm impressed that they got it round the circuit with two out on one side.

It takes a really strong (pilots) leg and adequate airspeed (180 knots minimum, rudder boost ON) but it can be done, provided the weight is 'reasonable'.

Congrats to the crew.

[sleeper]

Everybody seems to think it was two out on one side. So far I can't find any evidence for that. If it was not , then it must have been much easier. At one time , in the jurassic 747, they failed two engines in the sim. Expecting the usual, both on one side, scenario, there was some rudderjuggling. However, surprise, it was one on each wing. At that point it was a twin, albeit an underpowered one, and quite easy to fly.

[sb_sfo]

sleeper

While not authoritative, the Aviation Herald has it as #1 and #2 out.
Incident: Saha Airlines B707 at Ahvaz on Aug 3rd 2009, two engines on fire at liftoff

[Scimitar]

JACDEC also has it as #1 and#2.

[Steamhead]

There was a similar incident a long time ago, a cargo 707 out of Switzerland when #3 and #4 fell off and the wing was on fire. Finished up landing at some
airfield in Southen France

[Corsair19]

Hi guys,
This happened on 31 march 1992, flight Luxembourg - Kano, registration 5N-MAS. Full report available on BEA site.

[FirstStep]

Bleed the speed off a little...

Apparently a good effort by the crew, as 2 out on the same side is a handful ( mucho muscles are involved during roll control with all operating ). I do believe Vmc 2 out( same side) is 170 KIAS, with (rudder) boost ON. Not that 10 KTS takes away from the crew(previous post), but just being anal.

[411A]

I do believe Vmc 2 out( same side) is 170 KIAS, with (rudder) boost ON. Not that 10 KTS takes away from the crew(previous post), but just being anal.

-320B advanced, 170 is correct, 180 on other models.
If rudder boost should fail however...235 knots.

[ZFT]

411A

320B advanced, 170 is correct, 180 on other models.
If rudder boost should fail however...235 knots.

Now this is going back far too long but 166 knts is well and truly stuck in my grey cells. (gray to you of course)

[411A]

Now this is going back far too long but 166 knts is well and truly stuck in my grey cells. (gray to you of course)

I mostly flew the long body models -300/320/420 series, the only short body model I flew was the -138B (ex-Qantas).
With these long body models (at reasonable weights) the airplane would climb very slowly (2-engines out, same side) with flaps at 14/17 or 20.
Flaps 30?
Not a chance.
Downhill, until the flaps were retracted, part way.

707, one tough 'ole bird.

[aseanaero]

707, one tough 'ole bird

How many civilian 707s still flying ?

Ok , John Travolta has one and there's 69 707's of various types on the FAA register but don't know how many of them would still be airworthy

Anymore ?

[bufe01]

169 !
I remember this number because I always thought "why the hell is not 170!".
I know for a fact different operators had different, but very similar, figures.
Done it endlessly in the sim.
Tough scenario especially in August if the place was hot&hi.
Well done!

[411A]

A TWA manual for a 707 had very little applying to a PanAm 707...

So very true, and just one item...hydraulic system interconnect on the PanAmerican airplanes definitely did not apply to the Trans World airplanes, whilst airbourne....among many other differences.

The 707 was different for each original customer, and it showed, when some 'know it all' pilots perceived to actually 'know it all'....when they had no idea whatsoever.

[B-HKD]

A recently retired Captain once said:

We pilots have a saying when entering a Boeing... "where are the switches on this one...?

Leo