One-Two-Go crash report released

[Swiss Cheese]

Lincoln Coroner records narrative verdict in Phuket Crash

On Wednesday, the Lincoln Coroner, Stuart Fisher, recorded a narrative verdict for the deaths of 8 Britons, amongst the 90 who were killed in the OneTwoGo crash at Phuket on 16th September 2007.

Accidental Death was not a suitable verdict, and the Coroner drew express attention to the systemic safety failures at management level, in relation to flight training, CRM, Crew rest, and safety management systems, all which compromised the abilities of Capt Arief and F/O Montri to do their jobs as pilots and work as a team in the cockpit in the final minutes of OG269.

See Yorkshire TV on 23rd March, their 1830 news show for the full report.

[411A]

Congratulations to families involved.

Maybe.
However, I would then ask...what difference does it make (from a legal perspective), other than perhaps personal satisfaction?

[InvestigateUdom]

Personal satisfaction is just fine

What is it about the Internet that makes people want to be a-holes or at least show limited sensibility? Since I lost a person, I'll take personal satisfaction.
I'll also take another documented unbiased, legal reviewer of the facts who says Orient Thai did not properly train, had no safety program, flew excessive hours and attempted to cover-up their actions.
Anyone who wishes and is fully informed should feel free to fly with Udom to his/her hearts content. :-) The rest of us think our lives matter to us, to our families and to our friends.
A happy day here. Safe travels to you all.

[411A]

I'll also take another documented unbiased, legal reviewer of the facts who says Orient Thai did not properly train, had no safety program, flew excessive hours and attempted to cover-up their actions.

Good luck getting that.
The only thing Odom understands is someone smarter than himself, with enough legal representation in high places to pull it off.
So far as I know, there has only been one entity that has done so...our company, when we repossesed an airplane out from under his nose, and there was absolutely nothing he could do about it.

[InvestigateUdom]

strange

@411A: You're a strange dude. We're talking about 90 dead innocents, many of them kids, and you're bragging about Udom's intelligence and connections and how you *bested* him by stealing a plane back. I guess you haven't had enough pats on the back for that one. Congratulations. Good job. Well done.
Wow.

[411A]

Congratulations. Good job. Well done

We thought so.
IF you need assistace dealing with Odom, send a private msg and perhaps our small company can assist.
We know all the hot buttons to press in Thailand...and several other locations, worldwide.
However, need cash, no checks.

[piratepete]

PILOT WAS MEDICALLY UNFIT?

The Captain was not fit to fly.How do I know this?.The FO on the crash flight(and many other FOs on the MD80 fleet at the time) who flew with him over the preceding months prior to the crash had noticed that the crash PIC had a habit of falling asleep (slumping over the controls) mainly in the afternoons and it might be reasonable to assume that this was some kind of low-blood-sugar issue, but im not a doctor, im a mechanic.On at least one occasion, according to some low houred FOs he flew with, he slumped over(passed out) WHILE ON THE RUNWAY DURING TAKEOFF when he was the pilot flying!

How you might ask, did he renew his medical certificate?.Well your guess is as good as mine, but it was renewed regularly back in his home town of Jakarta..........He is not here to defend himself, and maybe too late for an autopsy to confirm this condition, but the management of OX was fully aware of this issue im reliably informed and responded by......promoting him to Chief Pilot (Udom approved this).......go figure.

[aixois]

As the main former thread is closed :

http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...p-07-a-31.html

I post on this thread the information about a French Court who issued a warrant against former C.E.O of ONE TWO GO and THAI ORIENT AIR according to French online media today (2017 September 17) :

Crash de Phuket : enquête sur une affaire oubliée - Le Parisien

and the translation (extract of the press release) is :

Ten years to the day after the crash of a plane when it landed on the island paradise of Phuket, Thailand, which caused 90 deaths of which 9 French, the French justice goes to the top speed. According to our sources, an international arrest warrant was issued this summer against UDOM TANTIPRASONGCHAI, former CEO of One-Two-Go Thai airlines and its parent company, Orient Thai Airlines, as part of the of the investigation opened by France for unintentional killings and injuries


Of course, as it is a one press release, it will have to be confirmed by French authorities.

[ATC Watcher]

Thanks a lot for putting that Aixois, the last 2 paragraphs of the article are reallyworth reading .
If indeed the company was trying to re-write the log books after the accident to show lower hours this is criminal .
The other remark about offering money to pilots to go beyond their hours, I am not a legal man but I think in this case, if you accept the bribe, you are fully responsible for what happen afterwards..
But waiting to be corrected.
Afaik France has no extradition treaty with Thailand, and as as they are a major Airbus customer , I do not think much will happen to this guy anyway.

[Bangkokian]

He's untouchable as long as he remains in SE Asia, but restricting the access of wealthy Thai-Chinese to luxury destinations in Europe like France is, however small, something that does irk them, which matters in a shame society like this. Kudos to the French for doing, at the least, something. Their business now seems to be largely Mainland charter flights, though, so any effect there is unlikely.

[horizon flyer]

In the UK this would be corporate manslaughter as per the roll on roll off ferry capsize incident, As the saying goes never trust a human being with nothing to loose. The upper management did not care as long as they made their millions effectively murders based on the report.

[ZFT]

Originally Posted by Bangkokian

He's untouchable as long as he remains in SE Asia, but restricting the access of wealthy Thai-Chinese to luxury destinations in Europe like France is, however small, something that does irk them, which matters in a shame society like this. Kudos to the French for doing, at the least, something. Their business now seems to be largely Mainland charter flights, though, so any effect there is unlikely.

Currently the CAAT have restricted their operation to internal flights only.

[lapp]

Not just France. With an arrest warrant an Interpol Red Notice can be issued, and there aren't many countries willing to ignore it when it's for someone that they have no interest in protecting.