One-Two-Go crash report released
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Link works
( B., WTHeck I\'ll go ahead...) This link to translated report on the IU site is working fine. Translation of the Thai Preliminary Report on OG269
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Investigate Udom Site and translated report are online Fri June 12, 19: 30 from Bangkok CAT ( telecom) though I would not be surprised if the site was blocked eventually. -actually surprised it has not been.
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Official Translation
An official English translation of the interim report (without personal comments)
is available at:
http://www.aviation.go.th/doc/Interim Report.pdf
The original in Thai is also available at the same website.
is available at:
http://www.aviation.go.th/doc/Interim Report.pdf
The original in Thai is also available at the same website.
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Official translation
The contents look to be the same, with one exception. The Thai version does not have the following text
The investigation process of Aircraft Accident Investigation Committee follows the procedures in ICAO ANNEX 13 AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT AND INCIDENT INVESTIGATION which the objective of the investigation of an accident or incident shall be the prevention of accidents and incidents.
It is not the purpose of this activity to apportion blame or liability.
It is not the purpose of this activity to apportion blame or liability.
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Another little trick by the Thai CAA
While the link elliptic published does lead to a pdf of this weak and incomplete interim summary, I tried to find a published link and initially failed. The DCA does have an English language site. That site has no mention of OG269, the revocation of the AOC for Orient Thai and One-Two-Go etc. It is only the Thai language part of the site that has this material, including the English version of this weak and incomplete crash summary.
Could they bury it more, yet still claim to have posted the report?
Could they bury it more, yet still claim to have posted the report?
That site has no mention of OG269, the revocation of the AOC for Orient Thai and One-Two-Go etc
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Both Orient Thai and their LCC One-Two-Go have been back in business for a while now. In fact, I think Orient Thai continued to operate throughout the investigation into 1-2-Go. You'll have to go back through this thread to work it all out. They were certainly flying into Hong Kong during the period.
I'm intrigued that they still appear to be working out of Don Mueang Airport. I'm sure I read somewhere thatthe DCC said they had to relocate to Suvarnabhumi last March. Is the old 'Udom backhander' still working I wonder?
I'm intrigued that they still appear to be working out of Don Mueang Airport. I'm sure I read somewhere thatthe DCC said they had to relocate to Suvarnabhumi last March. Is the old 'Udom backhander' still working I wonder?
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One-Two-Go out !
The Thai carrier One Two Go has been removed from the [black] list as its certificate has been revoked by the Thai aviation authorities.
EUROPA - Press Releases - Commission updates the list of airlines banned from European airspace
EUROPA - Press Releases - Commission updates the list of airlines banned from European airspace
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AOC revoked again?
Does anyone know why One-Two-Go's AOC was again revoked?
(I have to wonder if this is another gambit -- a temporary revocation -- by the Thai government to get OTG off the list....)
(I have to wonder if this is another gambit -- a temporary revocation -- by the Thai government to get OTG off the list....)
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Thailand's One-Two-Go AOC revoked again?
Several press articles state One-Two-Go was removed from the EC blacklist because "its certificate has been revoked by the Thai aviation authorities." Yet, I can find no direct information in English or Thai stating such an action was taken by the Thai DCA.
Can someone shed light on this?
Can someone shed light on this?
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The Bangkok Post reported yesterday that One-Two-Go has put half of its MD80 fleet, I believe that is eight, up for sale. The aircraft are currently stored in Dom Muang. The intention, apparently, is to make more use of the remaining four and to improve punctuality!!!
Nothing in today's paper about the AOC.
Nothing in today's paper about the AOC.
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This article by today´s Bangkok Post says nothing about the AOC being revoked. Instead it says One-Two-Go is being operated by the parent company Orient Thai and is seeking it´s own AOC.
Bangkok Post : One-Two-Go off blacklist
Bangkok Post : One-Two-Go off blacklist
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Why did mods merge threads?
Mods: why did you move the question of OTG AOC revocation to the crash report thread? these are very different subjects albeit about the same airline.
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New Thai Air Pres Raps Board for Political Interference, Nepotism, etc
This is somewhat OT but pertinent , deserving of another thread even. This position sat empty for over a year.
BBC NEWS | Business | New president raps Thai Airways
New president raps Thai Airways
By Juliana Liu
Business reporter, BBC News
Mr Amranand slammed favouritism at his airline
The new president of Thai Airways has strongly criticised political interference in his airline.
Thailand's loss-making national carrier continues to struggle with enormous pressure from outside, Piyasvasti Amranand told the BBC.
The newly appointed head of Thai Airways was in London on a global road show to gather investor support.
"The management had not really been allowed to manage the company," Mr Piyasvasti said in an unusually frank interview.
"The company had been interfered heavily by the board, by the politicians. That had substantially weakened the management of the company, and our response to the crisis."
Restructuring
He has been the airline's president for just four weeks. Mr Piyasvasti said it had taken months of negotiations to secure a strong enough mandate for his new job.
On Monday, the state-owned carrier reported a net loss of $121m (£71.8m) for the July-to-September quarter.
The results were worse than analysts had expected. They forecast another loss in the fourth quarter, traditionally high season for tourism.
Thai Airways is currently overhauling its management and business operations after reporting a record loss in the last three months of 2008.
Mr Piyasvasti seems an unusual pick to run the national carrier. As a fund manager, he refused to own shares in the airline.
"Thai Airways was a company which did not provide transparent information to investors," he said.
"Thai Airways management were not able to provide clear directions or policy to investors. Most of the big funds, whether in Thailand or outside Thailand, stayed away from Thai Airways stocks."
'Top three'
Mr Piyasvasti said he had been drawn to head the airline because it was in trouble.
"I would like to see the company becoming one of the best airlines again in Asia, and the world. Maybe top three in Asia, top five in the world, within two or three years," he said.
Central to this success, he said, was reducing political interference in the day to day running of the airline, which is majority owned by the state.
He said one of the most serious problems was nepotism and favouritism in promotions and in the awarding of contracts.
"When you promote people who have connections but no ability, initially it's okay, but eventually it weakens the company, Mr Piyasvasti said.
"It reduces the quality of the work. That is what has happened to Thai Airways."
BBC NEWS | Business | New president raps Thai Airways
New president raps Thai Airways
By Juliana Liu
Business reporter, BBC News
Mr Amranand slammed favouritism at his airlineThe new president of Thai Airways has strongly criticised political interference in his airline.
Thailand's loss-making national carrier continues to struggle with enormous pressure from outside, Piyasvasti Amranand told the BBC.
The newly appointed head of Thai Airways was in London on a global road show to gather investor support.
"The management had not really been allowed to manage the company," Mr Piyasvasti said in an unusually frank interview.
"The company had been interfered heavily by the board, by the politicians. That had substantially weakened the management of the company, and our response to the crisis."
Restructuring
He has been the airline's president for just four weeks. Mr Piyasvasti said it had taken months of negotiations to secure a strong enough mandate for his new job.
On Monday, the state-owned carrier reported a net loss of $121m (£71.8m) for the July-to-September quarter.
The results were worse than analysts had expected. They forecast another loss in the fourth quarter, traditionally high season for tourism.
Thai Airways is currently overhauling its management and business operations after reporting a record loss in the last three months of 2008.
Mr Piyasvasti seems an unusual pick to run the national carrier. As a fund manager, he refused to own shares in the airline.
"Thai Airways was a company which did not provide transparent information to investors," he said.
"Thai Airways management were not able to provide clear directions or policy to investors. Most of the big funds, whether in Thailand or outside Thailand, stayed away from Thai Airways stocks."
'Top three'
Mr Piyasvasti said he had been drawn to head the airline because it was in trouble.
"I would like to see the company becoming one of the best airlines again in Asia, and the world. Maybe top three in Asia, top five in the world, within two or three years," he said.
Central to this success, he said, was reducing political interference in the day to day running of the airline, which is majority owned by the state.
He said one of the most serious problems was nepotism and favouritism in promotions and in the awarding of contracts.
"When you promote people who have connections but no ability, initially it's okay, but eventually it weakens the company, Mr Piyasvasti said.
"It reduces the quality of the work. That is what has happened to Thai Airways."
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