One-Two-Go crash report released
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One-Two-Go crash report released
News just in today:
Latest: Phuket Airport Flight Crash Report Released - Phuket Wan
the results of the investigation appear to confirm that the pilot froze at the controls at a time when he needed to react to bad weather conditions.
The pilot did not following standard operation procedure for going around; he failed to hit the go-around button; he failed to respond to control alerts; co-ordination between the pilot and the co-pilot broke down; both pilots failed to react to the emergency.
The summary of the results also make the point that the pilots were suffering from an accumulation of stress and fatigue.
The pilot did not following standard operation procedure for going around; he failed to hit the go-around button; he failed to respond to control alerts; co-ordination between the pilot and the co-pilot broke down; both pilots failed to react to the emergency.
The summary of the results also make the point that the pilots were suffering from an accumulation of stress and fatigue.
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Sadly it has taken this long to confirm something that many of us already knew.
What is more worrying is the trend, not only here in Thailand but all over the world, to employ low time, inexperienced (and thereby CHEAP) flight crews in the hope that current computer control systems will save the day. In the case of the One-2-Go Phuket crash, here you have a pilot who, simply, should have had his license pulled years ago.
But whilst he still held a valid license you can't blame him for wanting to continue to fly. The blame lies with his employer.
Orient-Thai and One-2-Go are not alone in the world of dodgy airlines although they are examples of the worst around.
Cheap airfares are one thing - the means by which an airline is able to offer such cheap fares is another.
Choose your airline carefully!
What is more worrying is the trend, not only here in Thailand but all over the world, to employ low time, inexperienced (and thereby CHEAP) flight crews in the hope that current computer control systems will save the day. In the case of the One-2-Go Phuket crash, here you have a pilot who, simply, should have had his license pulled years ago.
But whilst he still held a valid license you can't blame him for wanting to continue to fly. The blame lies with his employer.
Orient-Thai and One-2-Go are not alone in the world of dodgy airlines although they are examples of the worst around.
Cheap airfares are one thing - the means by which an airline is able to offer such cheap fares is another.
Choose your airline carefully!
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The wreckage is still there
I flew back from Phuket last Tuesday and the wreckage is STILL there under grey covers at the end of the runway, next to the terminal.
The Thais are dreadfully superstitious about ghosts, but even I think that they should have removed it by now.
The place is prettied up, but they've never said it's because they've turned it into a garden of remembrance or something.
I get a little shiver up the spine every time I see it.
The Thais are dreadfully superstitious about ghosts, but even I think that they should have removed it by now.
The place is prettied up, but they've never said it's because they've turned it into a garden of remembrance or something.
I get a little shiver up the spine every time I see it.
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truth and details of OG269
If there is anyone out there unfamiliar with our quest for truth and accountability in the crash of OG269, www.InvestigateUdom.com details the systemic failures including incompetent ($$$) Thai CAA (DCA) officials and willful and wonton disregard for human life by CEO Udom Tantiprasongchai leading to forseeable flight crew error on the afternoon of September 16, 2007.
90 people lost there lives. Many of the surviving remain badly scarred and awaiting more skin grafts to face and arms. The insurance company and lawyers now want to settle. Are you thinking: at least the families get $$millions? Think again. The families won't even get enough money to buy a cheap new 172, and the settlements for the survivors won't cover the costs of their skin graft operations.
**American families got more $$ in an effort to keep those families from being a part of the US court filings, and thus keep the case from succeeding in the US.
90 people lost there lives. Many of the surviving remain badly scarred and awaiting more skin grafts to face and arms. The insurance company and lawyers now want to settle. Are you thinking: at least the families get $$millions? Think again. The families won't even get enough money to buy a cheap new 172, and the settlements for the survivors won't cover the costs of their skin graft operations.
**American families got more $$ in an effort to keep those families from being a part of the US court filings, and thus keep the case from succeeding in the US.
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Maybe a stupid rationale, but if insurance companies did due diligence on clients, cowboy outfits would be priced out, instead of the present system where everybody pays and the insurers don't give a damn as long as the make their margin.
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yup!- old and cynical.
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cockney steve: It's actually much worse than that!
The insurance company - Global Aviation Underwriters - knows all about Orient Thai/One-Two-Go. They know of the fraudulent checkrides; they know of the excessive flight hours; they know there are unqualified pilots; they know of the fraudulent paperwork given to the NTSB etc. They know the airline had no safety program. Presumably, Global Aero know before the crash. After the crash, I spoke with their chief legal counsel Steven Walsh and told him of the evidence. I have internet records of him reviewing it online. They continue to insure Orient Thai/One-Two-Go is highly profitable, if amoral and even immoral.
Here are the ballpark numbers:
Orient Thai/One-Two-Go have been in business for 12 years. Let's guesstimate their insurance is $5M/year. That's $60M profit for providing the insurance, which is really paperwork and a promise to pay any legal claims in the case of an incident. OG269 happens. Highly forseeable. What's the insurance company out? About $20M by my reasonably informed estimate. ($1M to Udom for the hull, $8M-$10M for the dead and injured Americans - to help keep the case out of US court, $8M-$10M for everyone else.) Net Profit for the insurance company: $40M.
Global Areo is a Lloyds of London insurer. I have had many calls with Lloyds and with the various British regulators, asking the following question: If the insurance company has proof that the airline runs illegally and dangerously, can they legally provide insurance? Apparently, no one has ever asked this question before. It seems that so long as the airline is legally licensed by a country - which Orient Thai/ One-Two-Go are - then the insurance company has no obligation other than to pay claims.
So people who board an aircraft assuming that they meet minimum aviation standards or couldn't be insured are mistaken. Big take away: You must consider the COUNTRY overseeing the airline as well as the airline itself to determine it's likely safety.
The insurance company - Global Aviation Underwriters - knows all about Orient Thai/One-Two-Go. They know of the fraudulent checkrides; they know of the excessive flight hours; they know there are unqualified pilots; they know of the fraudulent paperwork given to the NTSB etc. They know the airline had no safety program. Presumably, Global Aero know before the crash. After the crash, I spoke with their chief legal counsel Steven Walsh and told him of the evidence. I have internet records of him reviewing it online. They continue to insure Orient Thai/One-Two-Go is highly profitable, if amoral and even immoral.
Here are the ballpark numbers:
Orient Thai/One-Two-Go have been in business for 12 years. Let's guesstimate their insurance is $5M/year. That's $60M profit for providing the insurance, which is really paperwork and a promise to pay any legal claims in the case of an incident. OG269 happens. Highly forseeable. What's the insurance company out? About $20M by my reasonably informed estimate. ($1M to Udom for the hull, $8M-$10M for the dead and injured Americans - to help keep the case out of US court, $8M-$10M for everyone else.) Net Profit for the insurance company: $40M.
Global Areo is a Lloyds of London insurer. I have had many calls with Lloyds and with the various British regulators, asking the following question: If the insurance company has proof that the airline runs illegally and dangerously, can they legally provide insurance? Apparently, no one has ever asked this question before. It seems that so long as the airline is legally licensed by a country - which Orient Thai/ One-Two-Go are - then the insurance company has no obligation other than to pay claims.
So people who board an aircraft assuming that they meet minimum aviation standards or couldn't be insured are mistaken. Big take away: You must consider the COUNTRY overseeing the airline as well as the airline itself to determine it's likely safety.
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They know of the fraudulent checkrides; they know of the excessive flight hours; they know there are unqualified pilots; they know of the fraudulent paperwork given to the NTSB etc. They know the airline had no safety program. Presumably, Global Aero know before the crash. After the crash, I spoke with their chief legal counsel Steven Walsh and told him of the evidence. I have internet records of him reviewing it online. They continue to insure Orient Thai/One-Two-Go is highly profitable, if amoral and even immoral.
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My statement is completely substantiate-able. Call Steven Walsh at Global Aero and see what he tells you. I have the records of our phone calls. I have the snapshot of him (his IP address) reading the proof on the InvestigateUdom website. He spent over an hour on the site, so he gave it a pretty good review.
Yes, it is strong.
Yes, it is strong.
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Very basic translation of the report available.
Google and I have made a very basic translation of the report. It certainly has errors. I welcome feedback. www.InvestigateUdom.com. See the link to the report at the bottom of the page.
Of course I will replace this translation when a more professional version becomes available.
Of course I will replace this translation when a more professional version becomes available.
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Translated DCA document in html
A Web version of the document is here: Translation of the Thai Preliminary Report on OG269
@Sharpie: What can I do that's useful? Do you just want a link to the English translation in the South Asia forum?
@Sharpie: What can I do that's useful? Do you just want a link to the English translation in the South Asia forum?
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Interesting. The translation link returns
Sorry for your inconvenience, The web site you are accessing has been blocked by the Order of the Criminal Courts
For more information please contact: Ministry of Information an Communication Technology Building 9, TOT PCL Chaeng Wattana Rd. Laksi Bangkok 10210 Tel. 0-2505-7147,0-2568-2498
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For more information please contact: Ministry of Information an Communication Technology Building 9, TOT PCL Chaeng Wattana Rd. Laksi Bangkok 10210 Tel. 0-2505-7147,0-2568-2498
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wow!
Interesting. The translation link returns
Sorry for your inconvenience, The web site you are accessing has been blocked by the Order of the Criminal Courts
For more information please contact: Ministry of Information an Communication Technology Building 9, TOT PCL Chaeng Wattana Rd. Laksi Bangkok 10210 Tel. 0-2505-7147,0-2568-2498
Sorry for your inconvenience, The web site you are accessing has been blocked by the Order of the Criminal Courts
For more information please contact: Ministry of Information an Communication Technology Building 9, TOT PCL Chaeng Wattana Rd. Laksi Bangkok 10210 Tel. 0-2505-7147,0-2568-2498
I'll post a new link tomorrow.