CNN Reports FEDEX crash in Tokyo
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NTSB - Runway Incursion
On initial viewing, very similar. Bounce. Nose down. Main gear failure and breakup.
NTSB - Runway Incursion
On initial viewing, very similar. Bounce. Nose down. Main gear failure and breakup.
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FedEx has had way too many widebody hull losses in recent years but sadly, if confirmed, I believe this would be the first crew loss on the mainline. The carnage on the feeders has been discussed here in the past.
A sad day in NRT for us all.
A sad day in NRT for us all.
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It appears the original report I heard on TV has now been confirmed.
Japan Times
NARITA —
A FedEx cargo aircraft crash landed and burst into flames early Monday morning at Narita International Airport, east of Tokyo, according to airport and police officials. The pilot and copilot were taken to a hospital, and a local TV station reported they were both confirmed dead.
The MD-11 aircraft, Flight 80 from Guangzhou, China, was apparently whipped back up by strong winds when it landed at around 6:50 a.m., according to the Chiba prefectural police.
Local firefighters were seen trying to extinguish the flames.
A local observatory said winds of up to 72 kilometers per hour were blowing in areas around the airport at the time of the accident.
A FedEx cargo aircraft crash landed and burst into flames early Monday morning at Narita International Airport, east of Tokyo, according to airport and police officials. The pilot and copilot were taken to a hospital, and a local TV station reported they were both confirmed dead.
The MD-11 aircraft, Flight 80 from Guangzhou, China, was apparently whipped back up by strong winds when it landed at around 6:50 a.m., according to the Chiba prefectural police.
Local firefighters were seen trying to extinguish the flames.
A local observatory said winds of up to 72 kilometers per hour were blowing in areas around the airport at the time of the accident.
Japan Times
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Originally Posted by finalschecks
OK maybe partly a point techman, but aren't you oversimplifying a bit?
All the points you mentioned should have been part of the design considerations. Yet, what happened here is, sadly, not a first.
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That is a truely shocking video, can't say I've ever seen anything like that before. It actually looks to me like the left gear fails on the first bounce, the plane then gets airbourne again before coming back down and the left of the plane digging in having watched it a couple of times in Slo-mo.
2 crashes in the space of a few hours? jeeez.
Anymore news on the crew? As said above, I have seen reports of all lives lost and another saying at least 1 survivor.
2 crashes in the space of a few hours? jeeez.
Anymore news on the crew? As said above, I have seen reports of all lives lost and another saying at least 1 survivor.
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Shocking stuff.... is that a jet fuel storage area in the background? Bit hard to tell, but is that a long way off from where the jet ended up?
Considering 3 out of 3, what's the significance of the right wing down involvement vs the left wing. Is it something to do with the control function
If I'm wrong about 3 out of 3 I'll edit my post to reflect
If I'm wrong about 3 out of 3 I'll edit my post to reflect
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names Released
Japanese press confirms both dead and have just released the names. Don't know if it is appropriate here:
Kevin Kyle Mosely (54) (US)
Anthony Stefan Pinot (49) (US)
Names were written in Japanese so spelling will not be accurate
will be a gathering at JLC this evening.
NHK WORLD English
Kevin Kyle Mosely (54) (US)
Anthony Stefan Pinot (49) (US)
Names were written in Japanese so spelling will not be accurate
will be a gathering at JLC this evening.
NHK WORLD English
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BA61
For BA61, according to the Narita website, flights are still arriving and departing on schedule. There are no notices on the site to the effect that passengers should call in etc. So it appears that NRT is still operating at or close to normal.
I really don't think it's appropriate to be asking (or answering) questions about the operational status of the airport after such a tragic accident. What say we try to have some consideration for the victims here folks?
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Dani:
More interesting reading:
NTSB Accident Report Fedex 647 Memphis
Interesting reading:
NTSB Accident Report Fedex 14 Newark
NTSB Accident Report Fedex 14 Newark
NTSB Accident Report Fedex 647 Memphis
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I flew this airplane for a number of years and it can be a real handful to land. There is more 'info' on landing technique than on any other aircraft I've ever flown. If you don't get it exactly right the nose wants to come down rather violently, causing a natural tendency to overcontrol and the nose then pitches up severely. (Part of it is due to where the CG is in relation to the main gear) Add strong gusty crosswinds and this beast can put your heart in your mouth. It looks like there was an attempt to recover from that first overreaction and then the nose hits hard-- after that all bets are off. I noticed that the nosegear had not sheared off from 1 of the pix, so that 'bounce/pitchover' might have happened here at the wrong time.
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More thrust, less elevator with a bounced landing
Rainboe - you are partially correct.
The elevator authority on touchdown on the MD11 is certainly adequate to meet this type of problem (bounced landing). The contributing factors for this type of catastrophic result are: generally the throttles have been commanded closed (function of Auto Throttle System (ATS)), and the wing is a "critical" wing in such that there is little to no "ground effect" produced, and a tendency to pitch down and then immediately pitch up, which will drive the nose gear and then main gear back to the runway, with a possible >3g force. At the same time, speed/lift is rapidly decaying, which will result in less control surface authority.
A typical reaction to a bounced landing is a tendency to pitch down to "settle" the airplane, which with the MD11 is a no-no. I am aware of at least one carrier that regularly practices bounced landings in its simulator and on good authority of a couple of its drivers, their policy in relation to a bounced landing, is to go-around - GA thrust, pitch attitude 10 degrees NU, and hold that attitude until 50 ft RA (apparently to negate a tail strike).
A sad day indeed, but the result of the investigation will probably discover poor, if any, bounced landing technique being applied in this accident, exacerbated by gusty conditions.
The elevator authority on touchdown on the MD11 is certainly adequate to meet this type of problem (bounced landing). The contributing factors for this type of catastrophic result are: generally the throttles have been commanded closed (function of Auto Throttle System (ATS)), and the wing is a "critical" wing in such that there is little to no "ground effect" produced, and a tendency to pitch down and then immediately pitch up, which will drive the nose gear and then main gear back to the runway, with a possible >3g force. At the same time, speed/lift is rapidly decaying, which will result in less control surface authority.
A typical reaction to a bounced landing is a tendency to pitch down to "settle" the airplane, which with the MD11 is a no-no. I am aware of at least one carrier that regularly practices bounced landings in its simulator and on good authority of a couple of its drivers, their policy in relation to a bounced landing, is to go-around - GA thrust, pitch attitude 10 degrees NU, and hold that attitude until 50 ft RA (apparently to negate a tail strike).
A sad day indeed, but the result of the investigation will probably discover poor, if any, bounced landing technique being applied in this accident, exacerbated by gusty conditions.