Pablo Mason (Spelled M.A.S.O.N) Tribunal
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Roger and...out?
Allow me to apologise to all the professional aviators out there that may be offended by the use of the word, "deviant". The intent was to instigate debate and was not an absolute. 411 and Roger seem to demonstrate the art of today's cockpit process which certainly isn't of the lateral kind...but hey.
To suggest that the over regulation, in itself has been the cause of lessening hull losses, misses the point. Regulatory bodies are a necessary strata in the layers of this business but as most of us know, it has now got way beyond regulation with purpose and more like super regulation to empire build. Try negotiating the crew security channel at LHR? Even the plastic bags that contain the gells and liquids and other gases of mass destruction have to be 'approved'. Shoes, belts, coins et al...get em off and screened! Pablo was making a very sane point about security...that its out of control;
yep..I have been in the industry for a while, baby pilot to old fart and yep, seen it all too. sadly, its changed for the worse and one of the reasons has been the lack of voice and teeth to match. Pilots have tugged the forelock and accepted. Accepted unsafe FTL's, unsafe crew quals,(MPL???) and latently unsafe aircraft,(777 and the RR icing issues is just one example). It just takes the biscuit that there are those of you out there that want to take it all a step further and iron out the 'personalities'....shame really but I guess that's the way the business is going. You have control.
To suggest that the over regulation, in itself has been the cause of lessening hull losses, misses the point. Regulatory bodies are a necessary strata in the layers of this business but as most of us know, it has now got way beyond regulation with purpose and more like super regulation to empire build. Try negotiating the crew security channel at LHR? Even the plastic bags that contain the gells and liquids and other gases of mass destruction have to be 'approved'. Shoes, belts, coins et al...get em off and screened! Pablo was making a very sane point about security...that its out of control;
yep..I have been in the industry for a while, baby pilot to old fart and yep, seen it all too. sadly, its changed for the worse and one of the reasons has been the lack of voice and teeth to match. Pilots have tugged the forelock and accepted. Accepted unsafe FTL's, unsafe crew quals,(MPL???) and latently unsafe aircraft,(777 and the RR icing issues is just one example). It just takes the biscuit that there are those of you out there that want to take it all a step further and iron out the 'personalities'....shame really but I guess that's the way the business is going. You have control.
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Negativity breeds contempt
It astounds me that mans inhumanity to man is alive and well within the forums of Pprune ....
Stab your fellow pilots in the back why don't you ?
Better still do it on a public forum .
Its very interesting from a psychological standpoint to see just how spurious some of the allegations against Mr Mason have been ...gossip can be very dangerous in any profession . Cover for a hate campaign if you ask me .
Some have even used the excuse that Pablo Mason bought it all on himself due to his wildly flamboyent character and public persona .
That he was so far up his own jacksy he could'nt see the light !
That he has never followed the rules and was a law unto himself ?
Correct me if im wrong but i would expect the Royal Airforce to scrutinise all of its pilots and rigarously test them psychologically and physically ?
Can someone explain to me then how this man came to become a squadron leader if he was such a liability and rule breaker ?
I do not know Mr Pablo Mason and i suspect that the majority of you " Haters " out there have never met the guy either .
Having never met him i am therefore not qualified to comment on the guys personality or character or his capabilitys as a Pilot .
and it looks like the hate campaign has followed Mr Mason all the way to Wickpedia when you ead the article on Mr Mason this is what you get .
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Bit of jealousy going on me thinks .....
Did this man really deserve to lose his job ?
Did he really endanger this aircraft & its passengers ?
Had he any written warnings prior to this incident or pevious compaints against him ?
The important thing here is the question of unfair - or fair dismissal ?
This isnt or shouldnt be about character assination - or is it ?
Me thinks whispering camapaign amongst disgruntled and jealous fellow employess and others within the aviation industry helped this chap on his way ..
In fact i think its more likely that the the powers that be in the company that he worked for where simply waiting for their chance to get rid !
It aint just poor Pablo that some Ppruners slate either either ..
Mr Sullenberger got it in the neck a few times on the Hudson forum and he's now an official hero .
The three pilots on the Turkish Airlines have been given it good style too ...but they ar'nt around to defend themselves ...
as neither are the Pilots of the crashed continental express .....
Accident reports not even published yet ? what is all this negativity amongst some of you all about ?
Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones ?
Are you all really so perfect you have never made a mistake in your entire careers ?
Stab your fellow pilots in the back why don't you ?
Better still do it on a public forum .
Its very interesting from a psychological standpoint to see just how spurious some of the allegations against Mr Mason have been ...gossip can be very dangerous in any profession . Cover for a hate campaign if you ask me .
Some have even used the excuse that Pablo Mason bought it all on himself due to his wildly flamboyent character and public persona .
That he was so far up his own jacksy he could'nt see the light !
That he has never followed the rules and was a law unto himself ?
Correct me if im wrong but i would expect the Royal Airforce to scrutinise all of its pilots and rigarously test them psychologically and physically ?
Can someone explain to me then how this man came to become a squadron leader if he was such a liability and rule breaker ?
I do not know Mr Pablo Mason and i suspect that the majority of you " Haters " out there have never met the guy either .
Having never met him i am therefore not qualified to comment on the guys personality or character or his capabilitys as a Pilot .
and it looks like the hate campaign has followed Mr Mason all the way to Wickpedia when you ead the article on Mr Mason this is what you get .
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Bit of jealousy going on me thinks .....
Did this man really deserve to lose his job ?
Did he really endanger this aircraft & its passengers ?
Had he any written warnings prior to this incident or pevious compaints against him ?
The important thing here is the question of unfair - or fair dismissal ?
This isnt or shouldnt be about character assination - or is it ?
Me thinks whispering camapaign amongst disgruntled and jealous fellow employess and others within the aviation industry helped this chap on his way ..
In fact i think its more likely that the the powers that be in the company that he worked for where simply waiting for their chance to get rid !
It aint just poor Pablo that some Ppruners slate either either ..
Mr Sullenberger got it in the neck a few times on the Hudson forum and he's now an official hero .
The three pilots on the Turkish Airlines have been given it good style too ...but they ar'nt around to defend themselves ...
as neither are the Pilots of the crashed continental express .....
Accident reports not even published yet ? what is all this negativity amongst some of you all about ?
Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones ?
Are you all really so perfect you have never made a mistake in your entire careers ?
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It is testimony to the success of the fascists who have been in power for the last 10+ years that we're even having this debate.
"Do not think for yourselves my friends, we are here to do that for you. Is there a rule for that? No! What? Never fear, we'll knock one through the legislature before tea."
The same people castigating Pablo probably think Tex Johnston ought to have been fired by Bill Allen after the infamous barrel roll...
YouTube - Boeing 707 roll by Test Pilot Tex Johnson
Just how far have we come in 50 years?
"Do not think for yourselves my friends, we are here to do that for you. Is there a rule for that? No! What? Never fear, we'll knock one through the legislature before tea."
The same people castigating Pablo probably think Tex Johnston ought to have been fired by Bill Allen after the infamous barrel roll...
YouTube - Boeing 707 roll by Test Pilot Tex Johnson
Just how far have we come in 50 years?
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It astounds me that mans inhumanity to man is alive and well within the forums of PPRuNe ...
Snip much shouting and waving of arms
Are you all really so perfect you have never made a mistake in your entire careers ?
Snip much shouting and waving of arms
Are you all really so perfect you have never made a mistake in your entire careers ?
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After Tex Johnston had rolled the 707, Bill Allen said to him, ''I knew it could do it, you knew it could do it, now we all know it can do it.'' End of the matter.
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SR71 - Re. Tex Johnson rolling the 707...
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Well - actually the issue would have been quite different if...
If Tex would have been named Nigel Johnson...
And if N70700 would have been registered G-ABCD...
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You see, on that island - they practice "safety" and "security".
And they claim that nobody else does, or is as good.
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Happy contrails
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Well - actually the issue would have been quite different if...
If Tex would have been named Nigel Johnson...
And if N70700 would have been registered G-ABCD...
xxx
You see, on that island - they practice "safety" and "security".
And they claim that nobody else does, or is as good.
xxx
Happy contrails
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Tex Johnson 707 Test Roll
Sr71 What an amazing piece of footage ...never seen it before ...cheers mate
Looks to me like Tex Johnson was a definate role model for the young Pablo Mason's of this world ..and no wonder ...what an incredible show ov air manship .
Such a cool guy .
Looks to me like Tex Johnson was a definate role model for the young Pablo Mason's of this world ..and no wonder ...what an incredible show ov air manship .
Such a cool guy .
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Looks to me like Tex Johnson...
The aircraft was actually the Model 367-80, a narrower version of the Boeing 707.
I can't believe we are all still pontificating about this.........
The Company paid Mr Mason' s wages and also they produced the SOPs he and his colleagues were supposed to work to. Mr Mason's breach of these SOPs in no way improved Flight Safety and worse still placed his colleagues in an unenviable position...
As a result Mr Mason got sacked...
He's not a b****dy hero, he's not an "ace" ( that's 5 kills the last time I looked, not the ability to publish a book ), he's an ex-airline pilot with what seems to have an agenda or at least an image to polish........
It's enough to make even me agree with 411A .
The Company paid Mr Mason' s wages and also they produced the SOPs he and his colleagues were supposed to work to. Mr Mason's breach of these SOPs in no way improved Flight Safety and worse still placed his colleagues in an unenviable position...
As a result Mr Mason got sacked...
He's not a b****dy hero, he's not an "ace" ( that's 5 kills the last time I looked, not the ability to publish a book ), he's an ex-airline pilot with what seems to have an agenda or at least an image to polish........
It's enough to make even me agree with 411A .
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Come on guys, surely you've got to have a sneaking admiration for anyone who strips to their shreddies at security! Who hasn't felt like it or wanted to just to make the point?
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This is a very British affair...I wont butt in except to say that he deserved a bit more compassion and SOH from his CP.I am reliably informed that the last airline in the UK with a GSOH was Dan Air.
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that his dismissal was not punishment in appropriate proportion to that given to the FO, which is a little different.
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Had he any written warnings prior to this incident or pevious compaints against him ?
You haven't even bothered to read the thread, have you dicksorchard?
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Methinks Dicksorchard copied a Wiki page (the clue is the red bit in the middle) so whether these are his own views are open to question..
Unless he wrote the wiki page
Unless he wrote the wiki page