Pablo Mason (Spelled M.A.S.O.N) Tribunal
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Perhaps pablo didn't realise that he had already used up his 9 lives already. Ejected safely 29/7/83 following what I believe was a midair collision with another hawk over Bideford Bay, then another safe ejection 10/5/91 over germany in a Tornado due to possible malfunction.
I sure would love to know where he lost lives 3 to 9.
I still think he is the dogs do dah........is he still flying for someone?
I sure would love to know where he lost lives 3 to 9.
I still think he is the dogs do dah........is he still flying for someone?
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Umm, so reading the small print about Fly Pablo it would seem that the SCUD missile was used in a SAM role in GW1.....well he certainly seems to be living up to his role of being a "character"
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Made me LOL, particularly the bit .
'He commented: “We have a serious problem in our airports in this country, particularly amongst check-in and security personnel on the ground. Whilst the cabin crew have fundamental training in how to handle a passenger in distress about flying'
Was that before or after he got in his shreddies at security, looking at the date I suspect before. He should have done one of his own courses.
Wiggy maybe he is got the ballistic SA-2 confused with a scud, bit like biggles and barrister.
'He commented: “We have a serious problem in our airports in this country, particularly amongst check-in and security personnel on the ground. Whilst the cabin crew have fundamental training in how to handle a passenger in distress about flying'
Was that before or after he got in his shreddies at security, looking at the date I suspect before. He should have done one of his own courses.
Wiggy maybe he is got the ballistic SA-2 confused with a scud, bit like biggles and barrister.
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How many times do people have to be told. It WAS NOT a malfunction. It was pilot error.
then another safe ejection 10/5/91 over germany in a Tornado due to possible malfunction.
How many times do people have to be told. It WAS NOT a malfunction. It was pilot error.
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Commiserations Pablo.
However, thanks for livening up the airline pilot world and showing us that there are still some characters out there.
The important thing is that, in exercising your judgement as a Captain, you did not endanger the aircraft. It might have been politically unwise to allow the passenger on to the aircraft - but it was not unsafe.
Falling out with an airline can be a bit unsafe for your career however. But then, a lot of airlines these days are run by complete gits so you are probably best of out of it!
Thanks for keeping us entertained - it makes a change from Michael O' Leary!
However, thanks for livening up the airline pilot world and showing us that there are still some characters out there.
The important thing is that, in exercising your judgement as a Captain, you did not endanger the aircraft. It might have been politically unwise to allow the passenger on to the aircraft - but it was not unsafe.
Falling out with an airline can be a bit unsafe for your career however. But then, a lot of airlines these days are run by complete gits so you are probably best of out of it!
Thanks for keeping us entertained - it makes a change from Michael O' Leary!
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Fly Pablo
I don't think we'll see Fly Pabs get off the ground any day soon (mainly due to circumstances out of Pablo's hands). This has been talked about for a number of years. It was even advertised for sometime in the MyTravel in-flight magazine.
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The Employment Tribunal seems to be mainly there to make sure that the employer had jumped through all the (very complex) employment laws hoops and dotted all the i's & crossed all the t's before giving the unwanted employee the heave ho.
Especially that the correct number of verbal and written warnings etc etc had been issued and in the correct format.
The tribunal doesn't much worry about the extent of rule breaking. If the employer could prove a rule had been broken after all the preliminary warning processes had been complied with, that's the end of the story.
Hence Mr Masson's decision not to use a legal representative to check the i dotting and t crossing was very mistaken. Even big companies HR departments usually screw up the detail sufficiently for a lawyer to make a case.
p.s. I'm an engineer, not a lawyer!
Especially that the correct number of verbal and written warnings etc etc had been issued and in the correct format.
The tribunal doesn't much worry about the extent of rule breaking. If the employer could prove a rule had been broken after all the preliminary warning processes had been complied with, that's the end of the story.
Hence Mr Masson's decision not to use a legal representative to check the i dotting and t crossing was very mistaken. Even big companies HR departments usually screw up the detail sufficiently for a lawyer to make a case.
p.s. I'm an engineer, not a lawyer!
I am not specially surprised by the tribunal's decision. I raised my query only because it often (and this time) appears that some posters vote with their emotions before thinking things through.
Regardless of the sequence of events on the flight deck, Mr Masson was the responsible officer and regardless of how the idea for his tribunal presentation came to him, by recommendation or by imagination, it is disheartening to hear that he used such a tactic. I suspect that in extremis more of us than we care to believe might look for "aquital on a technicality." I was about to write "blame it on the FO" but strictly speaking that is not what he was doing. I think he was claiming that his dismissal was not punishment in appropriate proportion to that given to the FO, which is a little different.
In passing, a comment on " can't practice for war. . . . . ." We had one of those reality programs about a batch of trainees on the F18 in Canada, "Jetstream." In one sequence a trainee was chewed out for not returning to base after having, and dealing correctly with, an engine control light, apparently a not uncommon problem. In a following sequence another student was castigated for suggesting that he might need to return to base during only his second or third F18 solo for deteriorating weather. The call was "you can't return to base for every little thing if it is a real mission."
Apparently no one saw the irony.
As an aside, I have no idea at all why Mr Masson uses Pablo as opposed to Paul, but just maybe he wants to avoid being confused with a Californian wine maker.
Regardless of the sequence of events on the flight deck, Mr Masson was the responsible officer and regardless of how the idea for his tribunal presentation came to him, by recommendation or by imagination, it is disheartening to hear that he used such a tactic. I suspect that in extremis more of us than we care to believe might look for "aquital on a technicality." I was about to write "blame it on the FO" but strictly speaking that is not what he was doing. I think he was claiming that his dismissal was not punishment in appropriate proportion to that given to the FO, which is a little different.
In passing, a comment on " can't practice for war. . . . . ." We had one of those reality programs about a batch of trainees on the F18 in Canada, "Jetstream." In one sequence a trainee was chewed out for not returning to base after having, and dealing correctly with, an engine control light, apparently a not uncommon problem. In a following sequence another student was castigated for suggesting that he might need to return to base during only his second or third F18 solo for deteriorating weather. The call was "you can't return to base for every little thing if it is a real mission."
Apparently no one saw the irony.
As an aside, I have no idea at all why Mr Masson uses Pablo as opposed to Paul, but just maybe he wants to avoid being confused with a Californian wine maker.
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Nonwithstanding, the cockpit rules (and many others) are stupid to stay polite. Especially on a full private charter.
A group of terrorist rents a private charter and plays back 9/11 with it...
A line from 'Blackadder goes forth' springs to mind:
"if nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through"
BTW: do you really believe that cockpit door keeps a 100 strong group IF they charter an airplane and are really determind as the 9/11 guys were?
An old line from 'Blackadder goes forth' springs to mind:
"if nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through"
Talksport Radio 1053 or 1089 MW or on the t'interweb (link below, click 'Listen live') have just announced they are bringing Robbie Savage on sometime after 10:00 to talk about the case. They're trying to get PM on as well.
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Oh God you are right! I should have made my mind up before. Millionaire soccer players are the number 1 recruiting ground for Al Quaida.
I do wonder what makes Robbie Savage so special that he can enter a cockpit? Being millionaire or a known football (not soccer) player.
Paul Gascoigne (Gazza) also fits the description, millionaire and football player...how many pilots will let him in the cockpit?
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Paul already has pop-up advert at the bottom of the military forum.
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His dudeness -All your posts on this thread and your profile suggest that you are a light aircraft pilot with no knowledge of flying for hire and reward, that includes schedule and charter, in the UK.
Mason is not a credit to aviation nor someone to be hero worshipped. Mason has an ego bigger than a balloon hangar and has paid the price for allowing it to cloud his judgement. Learn to live with it, please.
Mason is not a credit to aviation nor someone to be hero worshipped. Mason has an ego bigger than a balloon hangar and has paid the price for allowing it to cloud his judgement. Learn to live with it, please.
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Gazza: Court Decides Over Paul Gascoigne Bankruptcy Petition | UK News | Sky News
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I feel totally privileged to have been regarded by many people in the Midlands as 'Biggles of Birmingham'
Pablo Mason
Pablo Mason
ChrisVJ:
But then again, spelling his name MASON might have done the trick...
As an aside, I have no idea at all why Mr Masson uses Pablo as opposed to Paul, but just maybe he wants to avoid being confused with a Californian wine maker.