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Old 28th Nov 2008, 12:49
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757 with 307pax gear collapse?

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A Boeing 757-200 chartered by Air Niamey (Niger), Hajj flight from Garoua (Cameroon) to Jeddah (Saudi Arabia) with 307 passengers, was taxiing towards the runway, when the left main gear collapsed reportedly causing the airplane to drop onto its left engine. The pilgrims on board panicked and were evacuated. No injuries have been reported.


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Old 28th Nov 2008, 12:51
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interesting number of pax to have on a 757-200, was it standing room only?
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Old 28th Nov 2008, 12:54
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Probably a misprint... must have been a 767.
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Grossly overweight then, it's no wonder the landing gear collapsed!!
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Old 28th Nov 2008, 12:54
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307 pax? Blimey, I used to think BY packed them in with 235 on their B757-200's!
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must be a B763 if it's 307, not a B762.....as even in BY world they had a max of 290 in the B762 mind you there was 344 in the B763 at one point.....
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Old 28th Nov 2008, 13:11
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Capacity vs Weight Limits

The Aviation Herald article noted:
"Local Cameroon Media reported, that Cameroon's Civil Aviation Authority had granted special permission to transport 307 passengers on that plane far beyond its normal seat/passenger capacity, but well within its structural weight limits."
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Old 28th Nov 2008, 13:38
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B757-200 Basic Weight ~60,000kg
307 Passengers @75kg = 23,050kg
Hand luggage (and there will be a LOT of it if it's a Hajj trip @5kg = 1,535kg
Total 84,585kg

235 pax (charter confgi) is a tight squeeze. No way could 307 passengers be on that aircraft, if a 757-300 then possibly (280 in charter config).

B757-200 MZFM = 83,500kg.

And the weights will almost certainly be significantly higher than that, let alone hold luggage.....

Interesting to say the least!

767-300 - no problem.
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Old 28th Nov 2008, 15:40
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The quoted article goes on to say that Air Niamey...

"leased two Boeing 757-200s for that purpose: LY-SKJ owned by Aurela (Lithuana) was transferred Nov 14th and OH-AFJ owned by Air Finland (Finland) was tranferred Nov 21st"
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Having seen some of these Haaj operators at work first hand I wouldn't be surprised if the aircraft in question was significantly over it's max weights and there were more bums than seats on board.

That being said the gear shouldn't have collapsed on the ground, it's designed to absorb touchdown G forces that would be equivilent to it being over twice the max landing weight which I'm sure it wasn't.

At least the evacuation meant none of the pax got round to lighting their gas stoves for cooking lunch. You think I'm kidding?

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Old 28th Nov 2008, 16:08
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Any possibility it could be babies/toddlers on adults laps thatís put the pax number up?
Lot of kids like but just a thought!
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Old 28th Nov 2008, 16:36
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Or perhaps it's just and typo and should read 207
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Problem is not the inbound HAJ as going on now.
Things begin to go bad for the outbound legs.
All of these haj pax have gifts from Saudi Arabia to bring to friends and family back home.
Not to mention the 2 or 3 liters of Zam Zam water they all carry.
Planes are absolutely overweight.
You discover this near the end of the runway as you barely clear the lights.
Then your next clue is the aircraft barely climbs at max climb power.
We all called this the Rose Village departure, as we were very low passing over the compound where crews were based.
Not being able to reach the flight planned altitude is the final answer.
Even at a lower cruise altitude you are near MCT.
You run the performance charts backwards and see that you are 10-20 tons over max weight.
After you drop the pax at there destination it is amazing how the airplane flys exactly on the charts.
Dangerous operation, done many of them.
Not good for the new pilots, but you will learn a lot about aircraft performance, quickly.
Normal Haj operations, been going on for years like this.

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Old 28th Nov 2008, 17:57
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Come on Boys and Girls, its Africa. These have to be brand new off the shelf Haaj Specials.
Sounds like one of these companies that forms just for this purpose. If they make it they walk away with big duckets. If not as in this case, everyone disappears.
And its not overloaded.......unless theres an accident.
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Problem is not the inbound HAJ as going on now.
Things begin to go bad for the outbound legs.
All of these haj pax have gifts from Saudi Arabia to bring to friends and family back home.
Not to mention the 2 or 3 liters of Zam Zam water they all carry.
Planes are absolutely overweight.
You discover this near the end of the runway as you barely clear the lights.
Then your next clue is the aircraft barely climbs at max climb power.
We all called this the Rose Village departure, as we were very low passing over the compound where crews were based.
Not being able to reach the flight planned altitude is the final answer.
Even at a lower cruise altitude you are near MCT.
You run the performance charts backwards and see that you are 10-20 tons over max weight.
After you drop the pax at there destination it is amazing how the airplane flys exactly on the charts.
Dangerous operation, done many of them.
Not good for the new pilots, but you will learn a lot about aircraft performance, quickly.
Normal Haj operations, been going on for years like this.
Interesting, why are airlines so interested to get their planes worn out on those trips, can't imagine this is good for the plane it self? They do get more earning per flight then a ordinairy charter?
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Old 29th Nov 2008, 10:33
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B757-200 Basic Weight ~60,000kg
307 Passengers @75kg = 23,050kg
Hand luggage (and there will be a LOT of it if it's a Hajj trip @5kg = 1,535kg
Total 84,585kg

235 pax (charter confgi) is a tight squeeze. No way could 307 passengers be on that aircraft, if a 757-300 then possibly (280 in charter config).

B757-200 MZFM = 83,500kg.
75kg (165 lb)may be considerd slim by UK standards. But that would be considered high by cartered Haji standards. 60kg (132lb) may be closer to the mark

B757-200 Basic Weight ~60,000kg
307 Passengers @60kg = 18,420kg
Hand luggage @5kg = 1,535kg
Total 79,955kg

Also, the Hajj flights are all adult!
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Old 29th Nov 2008, 13:36
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Strange thing about this case is that at the time this incident was reported SKJ was standing in Maiduguri (MIU) after having engine problems. Saw it standing there for several days. I've been flying these Hajj flights with AFJ since 22nd and we haven't operated from Garoua. Only from MIU. I guess there has to be third plane leased because that report mentions only 2 aircraft which have been elsewhere. Would be really nice to hear who is dumb enough to load 307 pax in 752. We have 219 seats in ours.

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Old 29th Nov 2008, 17:33
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Strange...Somethings not right.Anyone have an official report link?
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Old 29th Nov 2008, 17:40
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There is a slightly different version of events here, second one down.
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Old 29th Nov 2008, 17:52
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I wonder how many passengers ended up on the flight deck.
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