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Direct Entry Command @ Emirates
A lot of rumours making the rounds again.I also hear that the command requirements keep on changing. Anybody got some reliable info to share?
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Sorry to disappoint you, but DEC are not on the drawing boards. A whole bunch of upgrades next year by very experienced FOs, so don't hold your breath.
We have 600 drivers to date, and the official tally by end 2002 is 780. One thing is for sure, expansion will continue, but based on the outcome of the pilot's meeting late last year, and seeing Mr Flanagan's reaction, DEC are surely a low priority to date. There were a number of FOs who had the right command time to be expedited ahead of the 3-year rule, so that also helped. Trust me, we would rather have that than an "outsider" come in to fill the LHS. Remember, the majority of FOs here at EK have superb experience, and many have more than the required 6000TT. There is a vast experience level from which the Company can draw. Let's hope it does just that!
Re. the command requirements, they were changed late last year, and remain so to date.
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Sorry to disappoint you, but DEC are not on the drawing boards. A whole bunch of upgrades next year by very experienced FOs, so don't hold your breath.
We have 600 drivers to date, and the official tally by end 2002 is 780. One thing is for sure, expansion will continue, but based on the outcome of the pilot's meeting late last year, and seeing Mr Flanagan's reaction, DEC are surely a low priority to date. There were a number of FOs who had the right command time to be expedited ahead of the 3-year rule, so that also helped. Trust me, we would rather have that than an "outsider" come in to fill the LHS. Remember, the majority of FOs here at EK have superb experience, and many have more than the required 6000TT. There is a vast experience level from which the Company can draw. Let's hope it does just that!
Re. the command requirements, they were changed late last year, and remain so to date.
Cheers
M.A.Rat
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Scooby Doo---
Just so as not to disappoint you....not likely for DE commands in EK for the forseeable future due to the general slowdown in the aircarrier industry, and EK will not escape the fallout. In fact, I would not be surprised to find that they defer some deliveries, except of course if GF goes away or reduces to but a shadow of its former self.
Just so as not to disappoint you....not likely for DE commands in EK for the forseeable future due to the general slowdown in the aircarrier industry, and EK will not escape the fallout. In fact, I would not be surprised to find that they defer some deliveries, except of course if GF goes away or reduces to but a shadow of its former self.
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These days any airline has the right to change policies,fleet,flights,crew numbers,etc, overnight.
Its visible in some outfits already.
So don't bet your bottom dollar that DEntry etc won't happen in EK.
If astonishing things can happen with BA,GF,AA,SIA etc etc,EK is a small fish with big wonders.Big deals,orders,fleet expansions cancel or operators review or revamp themselves,to cater for global economic changes which can not be foreseen. Hope I am not right,for your sakes and the f/o's who have been hanging on there,tolerating,so as they achieve command?
DONT PANIC,PLEASE!!!!!!Let it ride and see.
Its all a wait and see game.
It has been for years except we fail or dont want to see it that way.
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The rumours here in London are that Emerits will pay you 100-150,000 a year sterling with lots of your expenses paid a big fat pay off if you last 5 years. The requirement being that you need an Airbus rating.
Anyone care to comment.
If there are any ex-Dan Air pilots who would like to take up this offer I'd glady give em a glowing reference.
Anyone care to comment.
If there are any ex-Dan Air pilots who would like to take up this offer I'd glady give em a glowing reference.
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Suggs, in a nutshell (from a friend of mine who joined last year and is an FO on the 330)
1)roughly £3200/month tax free (paid in Dirnhams, so depends on the exchange rate)
2)free house (but it's the company's, not yours)
3)no pension, but a gratuity scheme - you put in 5% of salary, the company puts in 12%. you have to stay there 7 years before you're entitled to 100% of company contributions on resignation)
4)one free ticket per year home for each family member
5)allowances "OK, but nothing to write home about" according to him
6)as stated by others above, no Direct Entry Commands. minimum length of service 3 years before being eligible for command.
Not quite what you've heard, is it??
1)roughly £3200/month tax free (paid in Dirnhams, so depends on the exchange rate)
2)free house (but it's the company's, not yours)
3)no pension, but a gratuity scheme - you put in 5% of salary, the company puts in 12%. you have to stay there 7 years before you're entitled to 100% of company contributions on resignation)
4)one free ticket per year home for each family member
5)allowances "OK, but nothing to write home about" according to him
6)as stated by others above, no Direct Entry Commands. minimum length of service 3 years before being eligible for command.
Not quite what you've heard, is it??
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Cheers Chaps
I had a look myself eventually at the emerits ,emirates or that arab lots web page.
Seems every jet job at the moment is paying about the same starting rate. All be it in the middle east there is no tax but it's certainly not for me, worth the bother.
I had a look myself eventually at the emerits ,emirates or that arab lots web page.
Seems every jet job at the moment is paying about the same starting rate. All be it in the middle east there is no tax but it's certainly not for me, worth the bother.
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Interesting article in Flight suggests EK set for much larger expansion in the medium term than previously planned. Substantially more airframes than the 55 pencilled in with Flight guessing at an eventual 200 !!
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Thanks for all the Info chaps. Ive bee reading your replies with great interest and two things are evident. 1. policy is only policy and things can change at a stroke of a pen. ie Emirates can decide to recruite 100 Direct Entry Commands tomorow if they choose to, whose to stop them?(No regulating agreement remember) 2. Emirates will expand of that I have no doubt but I seriously question 200 aircraft. What does Dubai and the UAE have that Hong Kong and Singapore dont. Cathay has 75 a/c and Singapore 100 a/c.
At the end of the day economics will rule, if Emirates cant support 200 aircraft then they wont get 200 aircraft, no matter what the Sheikh wants or says.
At the end of the day economics will rule, if Emirates cant support 200 aircraft then they wont get 200 aircraft, no matter what the Sheikh wants or says.
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I tend to agree with your two points. I also happened to be at the meeting last year when the DEC issue was discussed. My personal opinion is that EK management are very aware of the sensitive issue that it is. Hence the change of policy favouring FOs with the right time and experience. Numbers to date show that there are a large no. of upgrades next year, so DEC seem a low priority. As you say though, things can change. We are up to 600 drivers, with another 180 by end 2002. The Gulf News story of 210 a/c seemed to be an honest mistake (i.e 600% growth applied to 35 a/c at the time), but nothing has been withdrawn. 110 a/c seems closer to the mark.
What does DXB have that SIN and HKG doesn't - well, I will let future events answer that as best as possible. Don't be too surprised though with the way things are going here. The Shk. is a dynamic man, just look at what has been transformed in the short history of both DXB and the Airline.
In hindsight, I could have joined SAA years ago and now be faced with low-morale, corrupt management and affirmative action. The few issues here at Emirates seem to pale in comparison.
Sure glad I made the move........
Cheers
I tend to agree with your two points. I also happened to be at the meeting last year when the DEC issue was discussed. My personal opinion is that EK management are very aware of the sensitive issue that it is. Hence the change of policy favouring FOs with the right time and experience. Numbers to date show that there are a large no. of upgrades next year, so DEC seem a low priority. As you say though, things can change. We are up to 600 drivers, with another 180 by end 2002. The Gulf News story of 210 a/c seemed to be an honest mistake (i.e 600% growth applied to 35 a/c at the time), but nothing has been withdrawn. 110 a/c seems closer to the mark.
What does DXB have that SIN and HKG doesn't - well, I will let future events answer that as best as possible. Don't be too surprised though with the way things are going here. The Shk. is a dynamic man, just look at what has been transformed in the short history of both DXB and the Airline.
In hindsight, I could have joined SAA years ago and now be faced with low-morale, corrupt management and affirmative action. The few issues here at Emirates seem to pale in comparison.
Sure glad I made the move........
Cheers
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Hello to all can anyone give me a hand or info on how to get an interview with them , i have send the info to them and no reply..
I have all the required times and experience?
many thanks
I have all the required times and experience?
many thanks
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Tha answer is - none of the above: I have it on VERY good authority that the next move from EK will be to open a London base, there will be both Captains and Copilots required; apparently the deal will be slightly different to the Dubai deal (yes to the education allowance, but no housing allowance, no transport to/from airport) - it's reckoned a lot of the BA guys might be tempted, particularly those who don't want to have to [not that there's much wrong with the place] live in DXB. Initially B777 type rated only, plan is then for Airbus people, LHR based who will "cover" MAN & BHX.
