737 veered off landing runway at Arrecife
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737 veered off landing runway at Arrecife
seems an AEA 737-800 departed the landing runway this morning at ACE
Flight from Glasgow comes off runway in Lanzarote - Times Online
Flight from Glasgow comes off runway in Lanzarote - Times Online
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Looks like an over-run to me....
Runway 21 - 7874' long with a VOR approach with a 6.5%/ 3.7 degree final descent gradient, offset 13 degrees from runway centreline.
GCRR 310600Z 28011KT 250V310 9999 -RA FEW010 BKN022 18/15 Q1014=
GCRR 310600Z 28011KT 250V310 9999 -RA FEW010 BKN022 18/15 Q1014=
GCRR 310630Z 29004KT 270V330 9999 FEW018 BKN090 18/14 Q1014=
GCRR 310630Z 29004KT 270V330 9999 FEW018 BKN090 18/14 Q1014=
GCRR 310700Z VRB02KT 9999 FEW025 SCT100 18/14 Q1014=
GCRR 310700Z VRB02KT 9999 FEW025 SCT100 18/14 Q1014=
GCRR 310730Z 24004KT 210V280 9999 FEW025 SCT100 18/14 Q1014=
GCRR 310730Z 24004KT 210V280 9999 FEW025 SCT100 18/14 Q1014=
GCRR 310800Z 27009KT 9999 FEW025 BKN075 19/15 Q1014=
GCRR 310800Z 27009KT 9999 FEW025 BKN075 19/15 Q1014=
A video clip rtve.es/noticias - Un avión de Air Europa se sale de pista en Lanzarote sin producir heridos shows it looks like it is still on its wheels, right at the end of the video. Doesn't look like it hit anything, merely stopped over the far end?
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Runway 21 - 7874' long with a VOR approach with a 6.5%/ 3.7 degree final descent gradient, offset 13 degrees from runway centreline.
GCRR 310600Z 28011KT 250V310 9999 -RA FEW010 BKN022 18/15 Q1014=
GCRR 310600Z 28011KT 250V310 9999 -RA FEW010 BKN022 18/15 Q1014=
GCRR 310630Z 29004KT 270V330 9999 FEW018 BKN090 18/14 Q1014=
GCRR 310630Z 29004KT 270V330 9999 FEW018 BKN090 18/14 Q1014=
GCRR 310700Z VRB02KT 9999 FEW025 SCT100 18/14 Q1014=
GCRR 310700Z VRB02KT 9999 FEW025 SCT100 18/14 Q1014=
GCRR 310730Z 24004KT 210V280 9999 FEW025 SCT100 18/14 Q1014=
GCRR 310730Z 24004KT 210V280 9999 FEW025 SCT100 18/14 Q1014=
GCRR 310800Z 27009KT 9999 FEW025 BKN075 19/15 Q1014=
GCRR 310800Z 27009KT 9999 FEW025 BKN075 19/15 Q1014=
A video clip rtve.es/noticias - Un avión de Air Europa se sale de pista en Lanzarote sin producir heridos shows it looks like it is still on its wheels, right at the end of the video. Doesn't look like it hit anything, merely stopped over the far end?
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From Times Online October 31, 2008
Flight from Glasgow comes off runway in Lanzarote
(Adrian Pingstone )
The Air Europa crash-landing will add to concern about low-budget airline safety
Graham Keeley, in Barcelona
An Air Europa flight from Glasgow to Lanzarote in the Canary Islands crashed off the runway today as it was about to land.
Flight UX-196 developed problems with its undercarriage as it was about to touch down and it finally landed in beach area near the airport.
Flight from Glasgow comes off runway in Lanzarote
(Adrian Pingstone )
The Air Europa crash-landing will add to concern about low-budget airline safety
Graham Keeley, in Barcelona
An Air Europa flight from Glasgow to Lanzarote in the Canary Islands crashed off the runway today as it was about to land.
Flight UX-196 developed problems with its undercarriage as it was about to touch down and it finally landed in beach area near the airport.
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That was close... a few more feet and they'd be taking swimming lessons!! Does anyone know the cause?
Just in case anyone has missed it, on the link on the second post, where you can see the picture of the aircraft in the RESA area, to the right of that picture is a GOOGLE Earth image, you can move that image so that you have an excellent view of the runway from above.
After the RESA, there is possibly a road, then a beach then finally the sea.
The Times Online claims the aircraft landed on the beach, but are they just going by the picture from 'Elpais' or have they actually been there and taken a photo at the correct end of the runway?.
The Elpais photo does make it look like the aircraft is almost in the water, but you are seeing a photo taken with a telephoto lens which distorts the proportions of everything.
If you look at the GOOGLE Earth image you will be able to get a better feel for where the aircraft is
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What an irrespsonsible idiot that Times reporter is. Underneath the picture of the Air Europa a/c, he writes, "The Air Europa crash-landing will add to concern about low-budget airline safety". What an ignorant comment. As if being a budget airline means you're going to be subject to any more problems than a legacy carrier. Look at AF which overshot the runway at YYZ in 2005 or obviously the BA flight that belly flopped at LHR earlier this year. Stupid reporter
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We are so quick to berate the press for printing rubbish!
Misunderstandings often stem from imperfect terminology or sloppy use of language.
We are not exempt from this either, are we?
These two nonsense phrases are quoted from the above thread, one the thread headline!! A foreigner - even an Englishman - might well puzzle over why/how a runway was landing, mightn't he? And when did anyone last see a beach clothed?
Glass houses and stones come to mind...
Misunderstandings often stem from imperfect terminology or sloppy use of language.
We are not exempt from this either, are we?
These two nonsense phrases are quoted from the above thread, one the thread headline!! A foreigner - even an Englishman - might well puzzle over why/how a runway was landing, mightn't he? And when did anyone last see a beach clothed?
departed the landing runway
isn't there a nude beach
Glass houses and stones come to mind...
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looking on google earth, there is an area past the runway (heading out towards sea) with what looks like yellow V's & W's. is this an arrester bed, or just some standard / non standard markings?
I am surprised at the choice of runway used as the Jepp10-9 states that 03 is the preferential runway even with a tailwind component of up to 10kts.The Vor approach to RW21 is challenging due to its descent gradient and also the nature of the steeply sloping terrain underneath it.Westerly winds come off the surrounding hills and can produce winds very different to those on the surface.ILS 03 is always my preferred option at this airfield until the tailwind exceeds 10kts .
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BBC News channel just showed a picture of the aircraft, from the over side of the airport perimiter fence. The aircraft is in the RESA area and has not gone outside of the airport boundary area and the perimiter fence is undamaged.
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I agree with you 100%. Much happier with 03, but even then there is a pretty "solid" over-run
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If you look in the photo with SSK's post there is a windsock on the extreme left which shows a crosswind from the west with perhaps a 40 degree headwind component for 21.
Can't tell the speed but on 03 this would have been a quatering tailwing from the left at a max of 10 kts. 03 also has an uphill slope for landing....
I don't know any more about this accident but I would consider Arrecife a "sporting" approach on 21 at the best of times.....
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I agree with you 100%. Much happier with 03, but even then there is a pretty "solid" over-run
.If you look in the photo with SSK's post there is a windsock on the extreme left which shows a crosswind from the west with perhaps a 40 degree headwind component for 21.
Can't tell the speed but on 03 this would have been a quatering tailwing from the left at a max of 10 kts. 03 also has an uphill slope for landing....
I don't know any more about this accident but I would consider Arrecife a "sporting" approach on 21 at the best of times.....
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I'm familiar with the airport. That is indeed the very very end of the runaway, sans the narrow service road.
Then it's pretty much the beginning of the beach, that has a bycicle runaway, which is also kind of narrow. Then it's sand and the ocean.
The airport was closed for a couple of hours, affecting other flights (like a Spanair that finally had to cancel).
The preferred landing and takeoff orientation is the oppossite. Wind permitting, of course. A couple of low mountains makes it preferable to approach from the south. The weather was a bit windy and "messed up" (cloudy, rained hard for like 10 minutes and then scattered clouds, very variable). Now it's mostly sunny.
The beach is clothing optional. Most people wear clothing, though, as the real "nudist" part is usually about 1km northeast.
It's usually a very windy beach and seldom has any people at all. The good beaches start just a few hundred meter southwest.
But it's a great spot to watch landings and takeoffs.
Air Europa commented that it was an unstabilized approach, with some weather issues, but not the exact causes. Technically, it never left the pavement, but it landed at the very end of the safety area. It's a short runway, 2400m I think.
Couple more pictures here: Un avión se sale de la pista cuando aterrizaba en Guacimeta ::: lavozdelanzarote.com ::: La más palpitante actualidad de Lanzarote: noticias, anuncios, ...
It seems that there was no damage to the airplane.
Then it's pretty much the beginning of the beach, that has a bycicle runaway, which is also kind of narrow. Then it's sand and the ocean.
The airport was closed for a couple of hours, affecting other flights (like a Spanair that finally had to cancel).
The preferred landing and takeoff orientation is the oppossite. Wind permitting, of course. A couple of low mountains makes it preferable to approach from the south. The weather was a bit windy and "messed up" (cloudy, rained hard for like 10 minutes and then scattered clouds, very variable). Now it's mostly sunny.
The beach is clothing optional. Most people wear clothing, though, as the real "nudist" part is usually about 1km northeast.
It's usually a very windy beach and seldom has any people at all. The good beaches start just a few hundred meter southwest.
But it's a great spot to watch landings and takeoffs.
Air Europa commented that it was an unstabilized approach, with some weather issues, but not the exact causes. Technically, it never left the pavement, but it landed at the very end of the safety area. It's a short runway, 2400m I think.
Couple more pictures here: Un avión se sale de la pista cuando aterrizaba en Guacimeta ::: lavozdelanzarote.com ::: La más palpitante actualidad de Lanzarote: noticias, anuncios, ...
It seems that there was no damage to the airplane.
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