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Old 2nd Oct 2008, 08:26
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KD-Avia belly landing

KD-Avia B-737-300 had a belly landing in Kaliningrad yesterday. 108 pax on board, noone hurt (Barcelona-Kaliningrad flight).

RIA Novosti - Russia - Boeing 737 crash-lands in Russia's Kaliningrad region
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With a small picture.

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Possibly the most surprising thing is that on a scheduled route from Barcelona to Kaliningrad (which few in Western Europe could even place on a map) they can get virtually a full 737 load midweek. Things are maybe not as bad as portrayed.
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Originally Posted by WHBM
Possibly the most surprising thing is that on a scheduled route from Barcelona to Kaliningrad (which few in Western Europe could even place on a map) they can get virtually a full 737 load midweek. Things are maybe not as bad as portrayed.
Kaliningrad probably was a final destination for only few of those passengers.
KD Avia developed Kaliningrad airport as transit stop between Western Europe and Russia. I think most passengers later had to catch other connecting KD Avia flights to various other Russian airports.
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Media reports only ~20 pax (less than 20%) are locals, all other are transit to other Russian destinations
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Things are maybe not as bad as portrayed.
Not for some, clearly.
Other small carriers make quite handsome profits as well, even with the rather high cost of avtur today.
These (mainly) are niche carriers, who cater to specific routes, where many times the 'big boys' simply have passed by...or never considered at all.
Many it remain such....
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From that small picture it looks like the crew did a good job. Congratulations to them all.
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Quote: "Kaliningrad probably was a final destination for only few of those passengers.
KD Avia developed Kaliningrad airport as transit stop between Western Europe and Russia. I think most passengers later had to catch other connecting KD Avia flights to various other Russian airports."

Would explain why there was a KD 733 sitting on the ramp here in RIX at 05:00Z when I came into work this morning. Had been puzzling me a bit today.

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Not too easy to see in the picture but it looks like the nose gear may have extended, but neither of the main gears. Very unusual to have more than one leg not deploy, perhaps a second one gave up on the landing roll ?
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Kaliningrad probably was a final destination for only few of those passengers

Fortunately, Kaliningrad wasn't the final destination for anyone!

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gear up landing in kaliningrad

Jetliner safely lands with retracted landing gear in Kaliningrad

KALININGRAD. Oct 2 (Interfax) - A Boeing 737 belonging to the KD-Avia airline safely landed with its landing gear up at Kaliningrad'sKhrabrovo airport at about 11:00 p.m. on Wednesday, KD-Avia ExecutiveDirector Leonid Itskov told Interfax. "The aircraft landed with its landing gear up. The fuselage was notdestroyed, and the passengers were evacuated through regular ramps. Noneof them was hurt," Itskov said. "For a Boeing 737, this situation could be called quite normal.Pilots train for it on the ground," he said. The aircraft is designed in such a way that, "in case one of thewheel assemblies fails to extend, all the other assemblies get blockedand do not extend either, and therefore this situation is considerednormal, and pilots are trained for it," he said. The plane was heading from Barcelona and carried more than 100passengers, Itskov said.
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Some pictures from accident:
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The aircraft is designed in such a way that, "in case one of thewheel assemblies fails to extend, all the other assemblies get blockedand do not extend either, and therefore this situation is considerednormal,


Is this true? If so why, and how? First I've heard of it. I know this is not Tech Log forum, but the thread is here now.
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"The aircraft is designed in such a way that, "in case one of thewheel assemblies fails to extend, all the other assemblies get blockedand do not extend either, and therefore this situation is considered normal."


Absolute BS. I've flown the 737 for 17 years and 13000+ hours and have never heard of such a thing. Using the emergency gear extension system each individual landing gear can be extended independently of the others. Under normal conditions thay are all dropped together. If there is an issue with one the others will still extend normally.
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Several reports from Kaliningrad that the passengers weren't warned before the landing.

Suggests to me that either the crew didn't want to tell them, or didn't realise the gear wasn't down.
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Neither of these two scenarios fits into the category "professional pilot", unless the gear collapsed on touchdown without warning ( as I believe happened to KLM @ BCN last year?) and despite having 3 greens.
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There'l be more

How many times has this happened on a go-around? I have personnally witnessed it three times. (Not happened to me TG). Happened before and will happen again while complacency is still around. (And it's been here a long time). I've also served my time with the 737 and loved it, but never heard that it worked as stated in that previous post
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Crew was aware of that, they even made a low pass before landing attempt to check the landing gear.
ASN Aircraft accident Boeing 737-3Y0 EI-DON Kaliningrad-Khrabrovo Airport (KGD)
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Maybe I am being a bit thick here, but I can't easily imagine a tech problem that would prevent deployment of any of the 3 legs with the emergency system.
Did the crew perhaps have just one main available,chose to retract it to keep it all symmetrical & just lowered the nose gear ( it appears in the picture to be deployed ? ) with the emergency system. A novel approach if that was the case, but not very " Boeing".
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Time will tell but I would not believe that authority. They told us a lot of nice things while being "based temporarily" here for 40 years. Sometimes they told the truth. In somewhere between 2 and 4 % of the cases.
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