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Convair 580 Crash in Ohio

Old 2nd Sep 2008, 17:24
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Convair 580 Crash in Ohio

3 die in Ohio cargo plane crash | The Journal Gazette
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Old 3rd Sep 2008, 02:55
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Cool Sad ..

Hi,

Very sad indeed.

Just a supplementary comment:
I wonder why some continue to involve in commercial flights planes who deserve a stand in a air museum ... (52 years , 71.900 hours and 115.700 cycles)

Cheers.
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Old 3rd Sep 2008, 04:08
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CV580

Probably since there is nothing out there that low cost that will do the same job. At 280 kts and carry package freight for cheap.
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Old 3rd Sep 2008, 04:38
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Air Tahoma suffered a fatal Convair 580 accident on approach to Cincinnati four years ago, which investigators attributed to fuel starvation following incorrect fuel-crossfeed procedures.
Indeed so, if the fuel system is mis-managed, this certainly is possible.

A UAL CV340 suffered the same fate many years ago, on a flight from BFL to LAX.
Landed in a tomato field near Newhall California...and flown out of the same tomato patch several days later by a management crew.
The twin engine Convair is one very tough bird.

A placard on the fuel system panel (directly over the Captains head) clearly states...transfer of fuel between tanks is strictly prohibited.

And yet, that was exactly the cause of the former Air Tahoma accident.
Same for the UAL accident.
Crews need to follow the airplane flight manual.

Bad things can happen if you don't
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Here are some pics with this plane from a Live Journal of the Russian pilot who used to be F/O on this plane:

The plane:




Captain Urs Anderegg of Miami, 58 who is among the dead crew and his plane:










There is also a photo of the new F/O who joined the crew at the time these photos were taken (post is dated March 20, 2007) but there is no indication of his name and it is not known whether he was still on the crew at the time the crash occurred.



Urs and new F/O

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Bad things can happen if you do!

The problem with the placard in the type is that when `Closing`the valve on the "unused" tank (per the manual), there is no guarantee that the valve will open again when the switch is returned to "Open". On the other hand there is little need to cross-feed as this aircraft will handle far more that the placarded fuel imbalance limits.
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Thank you xolodenko for your post. This is very sad. The photos really bring home to me the human tragedy here. Pictures are indeed worth a thousand words. These people had committed their lives to an occupation which they no doubt loved, but which is never without some risk. Vale the good captain and his crew.
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Blokes just doing their jobs - forget the aircraft type and age (from a marvellous era) - just sad, sad, sad. We all flew something with a propeller.
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Capt. Urs Underegg - http://www.ruand.com
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And lest we forget the others... Jim Monahan, with whom my wife flew for over a decade, also died in the crash. Nicest guy in the world. Our most sincere sympathies to Holly and the kids.

Plantation man killed in Ohio plane crash was devoted pilot -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

The other crew member killed was Sean Gardiner.

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Both of the Air Tahoma losses at one stage were no strangers
to European skies, ex-EAT BRU
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Report now out. Reversed elevator trim.
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Old 14th May 2009, 14:25
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After any major work on flight controls, it is a good idea to check for proper operation including trim. In this case, if I read the report correctly, the maintenance entry into the journey log was in such a manner that there is a high likelyhood that the flight crew likely did not know about the specifics of the work done.

Thinking about it in my chair at home, perhaps a way to reduce the odds of such an event happening is to adjust the trim tab prior to the external walkaround in such a way that misrigging would be noticed if specifically looked for and that the tab is not in its proper position. And if huge control forces are required immediately after takeoff to consider such a possibility(especially if empty), which must be quite difficult when all you concentration is focused on just not crashing.

This is not the first event on this aircraft type as can be seen on this near accident.
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Punkalouver, that is certainly one way to check, but by far the best one is a certified independent check of a disturbed control system which would have picked this up. I read the report and was sweating by the end of it. Flying control checks you do not bypass, as in this case - the consequences can be fatal.
As it was apparently on a post maintenance check flight I would have thought the crew would have been completely aware of what maintenance had been carried out and to what level. Nobody should be expected to fly an unserviceable aircraft without all the facts at their fingertips, in this case it might have given them a clue.

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The most dangerous aircraft to fly is one that has just come out of maintenance ! and that's not a swipe at engineers, anyone can make mistakes.
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ExSp33dblrd. Agree to 100% with You. I have had same very bad and dangerus experince with A/C just out of MX. Panels not tightend with all screws and wind sheeld deicing not hooked up in the vinter going to Toronto.
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Condolences from Barcelona, Spain

First I want to wish the best for the families left behind. I may not have known the gentlemen, but we were brothers, companions, fellow freight dogs.
I flew the DC 3 and also Convair, out of Ypsilanti, MI; the best pilots I learned from were round-engine drivers and I have my own scary stories about planes coming out of maintenance. One learnt to take a half hour on the ramp and really check the bird as much as possible; another thing is once airborne when it could be too late.
Vayan con Dios !
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NTSB Report N587X

The report mentions that the sound of trim was heard. I have extensive experience with the 240-340-440 series aircraft but none in the 580.

Does the 580 have electric trim?

The Co-Pilot (Jim) was a friend of mine for 30 years, I cannot believe he is gone. I never met a more professional pilot or a had finer friend.


I am having a large problem wrapping my brain around the course of actions as well as the outcome.
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