Spanair accident at Madrid
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latest from el mundo
sorry to bear bad news and yes its "only" the press
although El Mundo seems to have been accurate on the (awful) details of this crash ahead of all other news outlets
they must have their sources
what they are saying is that only about 20 survivors, rest died in the aircraft fire - specific reports from emergency service personnels entering the shell of the plane after fire died down and seeing only carbonised bodies
as a veteran SLF, would like to know where the survivors were sitting - instinctively would assume in the front as MD engines are in the back
although El Mundo seems to have been accurate on the (awful) details of this crash ahead of all other news outlets
they must have their sources
what they are saying is that only about 20 survivors, rest died in the aircraft fire - specific reports from emergency service personnels entering the shell of the plane after fire died down and seeing only carbonised bodies
as a veteran SLF, would like to know where the survivors were sitting - instinctively would assume in the front as MD engines are in the back
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Statement on Accident JK 5022 Routed Madrid – Las Palmas
SAS Group can confirm that a Spanair flight JK 5022, was involved in an accident at Madrid Barajas Airport today.
The aircraft, an MD-82, was en route from Madrid to Las Palmas when the accident occurred, at 14:23 hrs local time. We can confirm that there were 166 passengers and six (6) crew onboard.
JK 5022 is a code- share* flight with Lufthansa flight number LH255.
Information about possible casualties is not yet available, however SAS is doing everything possible to help passengers and next-of-kin and to assist Spanish authorities at this difficult time. A team of specially-trained SAS Group personel is being assembled in Madrid.
The names of the passengers and crew on board will not be released until the next-of-kin have been notified.
Spanair has a direct phone number to attend passengers' family of the flight JK 5022: +34 800 400 200. At the moment this telephone number is only working within Spain.
Also see SAS Group homepage for information: www.sasgroup.net
* Code- share- When two or more airlines state their flight number in the timetable for
the same flight, while only one of the airlines operates the flight.
SAS Group Corporate Communications
Note to editors: We ask journalists not to call the passenger phone number, as a separate media center has been established. The media information center can be contacted at the following numbers: +46 8 797 2081, 797 48 93, 797 12 92
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The Spokes Women is good!
The spokes women of SAS - mother company of SPANAIR - is excellent. She does not FUEL speculations despite being pushed by BBC reporters.
Great handling from her end of this case!
Great handling from her end of this case!
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For those of a strong disposition, canarias7 have a picture of a badly-burned survivor on their main page. From the looks of it, the burns would show that most people did not stand a chance.
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An MD-82 landed safely after an engine fire which affected hydraulics last september in Louisiana.
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/2...evacuated.html
(i realize it's a very common aircraft so i'm not saying there's a connection but it is a very similar incident)
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/2...evacuated.html
(i realize it's a very common aircraft so i'm not saying there's a connection but it is a very similar incident)
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El Mundo, 17:22 CET
"MADRID.- El avión JKK 5022 viajaba con 178 personas a bordo, entre pasajeros y tripulantes. Sólo 27 personas han podido ser evacuadas de la nave con vida. Se encuentran en estado crítico y uno de ellos ha fallecido durante el traslado al hospital."
178 people on board. Only 27 people escaped, some in a critical state. One died on the way to hospital.
Video shows lots of white smoke, presumably from burning dry grass and brush (mentioned in another Spanish news item), which must have made access even more difficult....
"MADRID.- El avión JKK 5022 viajaba con 178 personas a bordo, entre pasajeros y tripulantes. Sólo 27 personas han podido ser evacuadas de la nave con vida. Se encuentran en estado crítico y uno de ellos ha fallecido durante el traslado al hospital."
178 people on board. Only 27 people escaped, some in a critical state. One died on the way to hospital.
Video shows lots of white smoke, presumably from burning dry grass and brush (mentioned in another Spanish news item), which must have made access even more difficult....
LUXury is a 13,000 ft runway
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elmundo.es quotes rescue teams who describe the plane as being "full of charred bodies", and the survivors as "critically wounded". According to the report, the fire crews couldn't enter the hull for some time because of the heat generated by the fire, and had to summon a fire brigade helicopter to extinguish the flames.
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Full details on EC-HFP are here: Spanair EC-HFP (McDonnell Douglas MD-80/90) (Ex HL7204 HL7548 ) - Airfleets
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Just for your info. There is a regulation on arrivals running until 2300 utc at a rate of 20 per hour, giving 12000 mins delay, with up to 250 mins per flight. They are using a contingency departure procedure to try to manage the airfield, and departures are suffering no ATC delays. But the situation from the point of view of delays is really insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
The spokes women of SAS - mother company of SPANAIR - is excellent. She does not FUEL speculations despite being pushed by BBC reporters.
Great handling from her end of this case!
Great handling from her end of this case!
If further illustration of how it might be an idea if the 24 hour media waited a bit before causing confusion were needed, the dear old Beeb, having fuelled speculation of dozens dead, about two minutes ago switched to running a ticker saying 'Reports suggests dozens walked away unhurt'.
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More Direct from Spanair Press Office
Regarding flight number JK 5022
Spanair regrets to confirm that 164 passengers and 9 crew were on board its flight JK5022, which was involved in an accident in Madrid today.
The accident occurred at 14:45 local time during take off, aircraft type MD-82.
The names of the passengers and crew on board the aircraft will not be released until all family have been notified, and a special help-line number has been established for relatives and friends seeking information about those who may have been on board. The number is +34 800 400 200. A team of specially trained Spanair personnel is being assembled in Palma de Mallorca, and will fly to Madrid later today to provide support and assistance at the scene.
Information on the number of people involved is not yet available, but Spanair is doing everything possible to help the Spanish authorities at this difficult time.
Spanair will provide further information as soon as it becomes available and will hold a press conference at 17:30 local time at the Meliá Avenida de America hotel in Madrid.
Also see Spanair homepage for information at: www.spanair.com
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Current delay situation
The Spanair departure ex FRA to MAD has now got an approved slot of 2007z against a sked dep of 1550z - so looks like the field is open but barely functioning, as one would expect.
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sad news indeed...
might just want to remind everyone that an Iberia "mad-dogs" had an engine failure/blown tyre about 2 weeks ago on a flight out of Vienna (LOWW)... circled for some time to burn of fuel and landed successfully. Hate to see a "deja-vu" effect on this one...
updated: correct airline to Iberia and not JKK being involved in the LOWW incident
might just want to remind everyone that an Iberia "mad-dogs" had an engine failure/blown tyre about 2 weeks ago on a flight out of Vienna (LOWW)... circled for some time to burn of fuel and landed successfully. Hate to see a "deja-vu" effect on this one...
updated: correct airline to Iberia and not JKK being involved in the LOWW incident
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From El Mundo: "Según su relato, tan sólo 28 de los pasajeros del avión pudieron salir con vida y se encuentran en estado crítico. "El resto, todos muertos"
"According to his (an airport official's) report, only 28 people were able to exit the airplane alive, all in critical condition. 'The rest, all dead'."
"According to his (an airport official's) report, only 28 people were able to exit the airplane alive, all in critical condition. 'The rest, all dead'."
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The arrival and departures are pretty decent considering one RWY closed: (MAD) Barajas Airport Departures, Arrivals, and Information
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Scores feared dead in Madrid plane crash
Reports say up to 150 people killed when airliner swerved off runway at Barajas airport
Video of the crash scene Up to 150 people are feared dead after a plane overshot the runway at Madrid's Barajas airport, according to Spanish media reports.
Only 25 people of the 173 passengers survived when the Spanair flight JK 5022 crashed after swerving off the runway near the airport's terminal four, according to the Reuters news agency.
Spanish national radio and the El País newspaper reported that 45 people had been confirmed dead, citing the Spanish government as the source. Another 19 were said to be in a critical condition, with 25 suffering from lighter wounds.
Spanair, the country's second largest carrier, said the crash happened at 2.45pm (1.45pm BST). The flight was bound for Las Palmas, in Gran Canaria. Among the passengers on board the rear-engined MD82 plane were two children.
The flight had a code-sharing arrangement with the Lufthansa flight LH255, indicating there may have been many Germans on board.
Reports suggested the incident happened after the plane attempted to take off for a second time. Some observers said one of the left engines caught fire as the plane accelerated, causing it to swing off track. The plane reportedly broke in two.
The airport has been closed, with arriving passengers being turned away. Reporters at the scene said the terminal building had filled up with people either looking for information about relatives on the flight or caught up in the travel disruption.
Unconfirmed reports said the flight had been due to take off at 1pm and left the departure gate at 1.05pm, but returned just over half an hour later.
An official with the Madrid emergency rescue service, Samur, said crews were removing injured people and bodies from the plane. "It is certain catastrophe," the official said on condition of anonymity. Eleven fire engines were reportedly at the scene.
The Spanish prime minister, José Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, broke off his holiday to return to Madrid.
Madrid's terminal four was designed by the British architect Richard Rogers and opened to the public in 2006. It carries many of the European and long-haul flights and is a stopover for thousands of passengers travelling within Spain and to South America.
Around 60 million passengers use Barajas airport, which is located about 10 miles north-east of central Madrid.
An emergency telephone number was launched for relatives of people on the flights. Spanish radio said it was being inundated by calls from people complaining that the number was permanently engaged.
Reports say up to 150 people killed when airliner swerved off runway at Barajas airport
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Video of the crash scene Up to 150 people are feared dead after a plane overshot the runway at Madrid's Barajas airport, according to Spanish media reports.
Only 25 people of the 173 passengers survived when the Spanair flight JK 5022 crashed after swerving off the runway near the airport's terminal four, according to the Reuters news agency.
Spanish national radio and the El País newspaper reported that 45 people had been confirmed dead, citing the Spanish government as the source. Another 19 were said to be in a critical condition, with 25 suffering from lighter wounds.
Spanair, the country's second largest carrier, said the crash happened at 2.45pm (1.45pm BST). The flight was bound for Las Palmas, in Gran Canaria. Among the passengers on board the rear-engined MD82 plane were two children.
The flight had a code-sharing arrangement with the Lufthansa flight LH255, indicating there may have been many Germans on board.
Reports suggested the incident happened after the plane attempted to take off for a second time. Some observers said one of the left engines caught fire as the plane accelerated, causing it to swing off track. The plane reportedly broke in two.
The airport has been closed, with arriving passengers being turned away. Reporters at the scene said the terminal building had filled up with people either looking for information about relatives on the flight or caught up in the travel disruption.
Unconfirmed reports said the flight had been due to take off at 1pm and left the departure gate at 1.05pm, but returned just over half an hour later.
An official with the Madrid emergency rescue service, Samur, said crews were removing injured people and bodies from the plane. "It is certain catastrophe," the official said on condition of anonymity. Eleven fire engines were reportedly at the scene.
The Spanish prime minister, José Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, broke off his holiday to return to Madrid.
Madrid's terminal four was designed by the British architect Richard Rogers and opened to the public in 2006. It carries many of the European and long-haul flights and is a stopover for thousands of passengers travelling within Spain and to South America.
Around 60 million passengers use Barajas airport, which is located about 10 miles north-east of central Madrid.
An emergency telephone number was launched for relatives of people on the flights. Spanish radio said it was being inundated by calls from people complaining that the number was permanently engaged.