Ground Collision @ Manchester 05/08/08
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Ground Collision @ Manchester 05/08/08
Looks like a Lufthansa 320 seems to have had a coming together with a Futura 737!!!
Does anyone have any info. Looks like a case of 'the gap was not big enough'
Does anyone have any info. Looks like a case of 'the gap was not big enough'
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BBC NEWS | England | Manchester | Two planes in airport collision
Two planes in airport collision
The airport remains fully operational
Two aircraft have been involved in what has been described as a "minor wingtip collision" at Manchester Airport.
The planes, carrying a combined 287 passengers, touched wings while they were taxiing out to the runway from Terminal One.
A spokesman for Manchester Airport said there were no reports of any casualties in the collision.
The airport remains fully operational and there are no delays as a result of the incident, he added.
One of the planes involved was a Futura flight bound for Tenerife - a Boeing 737-800 - which was carrying 180 passengers. The other, an Airbus A320, was a Lufthansa flight carrying 107 passengers to Frankfurt, Germany. Both are currently being checked over by the fire service as a safety precaution and will be examined by experts in due course to assess any damage.
Two planes in airport collision
The airport remains fully operationalTwo aircraft have been involved in what has been described as a "minor wingtip collision" at Manchester Airport.
The planes, carrying a combined 287 passengers, touched wings while they were taxiing out to the runway from Terminal One.
A spokesman for Manchester Airport said there were no reports of any casualties in the collision.
The airport remains fully operational and there are no delays as a result of the incident, he added.
One of the planes involved was a Futura flight bound for Tenerife - a Boeing 737-800 - which was carrying 180 passengers. The other, an Airbus A320, was a Lufthansa flight carrying 107 passengers to Frankfurt, Germany. Both are currently being checked over by the fire service as a safety precaution and will be examined by experts in due course to assess any damage.
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the FlightGlobal articale states the aircraft are still parked at the scene ... Once the aircraft have been cleared as safe to move then surely the airport operator would want them moved to avoid problems reducing runway capacity or would this have something to do with insurance reasons?? - send the old bill down to take some photos etc..?
edited - or maybe the article is just out of date?
edited - or maybe the article is just out of date?
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OMG! I have just had to change the radio station because it infuriated me when this stupid woman (news reader) on Manchester Key 103 said "2 planes have collided on the runway at manchester airport" 
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never let the facts.....
5 Live reported this afternoon that "....the aircraft collided whilst taxiing on the ground...." Thank God they didn't collide whilst taxiing on short finals or climb out
Strangely, no mention as yet of the valiant crew avoiding the school, old people home or hospital as they careered along the taxiway at 4mph.
Strangely, no mention as yet of the valiant crew avoiding the school, old people home or hospital as they careered along the taxiway at 4mph.
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I'm not at all surprised about this, Seen many a 'near miss' over the years.
MAN getting too saturated now, ATC trying to squeeze too many slots in.
And that's when mistakes/accidents happen, And combined with some flights in a rush to get away.
Not implying that these 2 aircraft were in a rush, But when the heat is on there are greater chances of accidents.
Could do with a 'bridge taxiway' over 23R for 23L departures.
MAN getting too saturated now, ATC trying to squeeze too many slots in.
And that's when mistakes/accidents happen, And combined with some flights in a rush to get away.
Not implying that these 2 aircraft were in a rush, But when the heat is on there are greater chances of accidents.
Could do with a 'bridge taxiway' over 23R for 23L departures.
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"The airport remains fully operational and there are no delays as a result of the incident, he added. "
Tell that to the pax on the 10 diverts into LPL alone and those waiting for the outbounds at MAN !
Spin doctors still rule OK.
Tell that to the pax on the 10 diverts into LPL alone and those waiting for the outbounds at MAN !
Spin doctors still rule OK.
Lufthansa stationary on link Juliet Alpha with the Futura behind heading into link Juliet 1???
See picture on bbc site
BBC NEWS | England | Manchester | Two planes in airport collision
aerodrome chart
http://www.edendale.co.uk/MAIP/charts/MAN.32CC0201.PDF
See picture on bbc site
BBC NEWS | England | Manchester | Two planes in airport collision
aerodrome chart
http://www.edendale.co.uk/MAIP/charts/MAN.32CC0201.PDF
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BY ALPHA INDIA
As the incident occurred on the ground, where ATC ASSIST in preventing collisions, then I take umbrage at your post assuming that the collision occurred due to ATC "trying to squeeze too many slots in"
- especially as you qualify it with that you were not suggesting that that the AIRCRAFT were not in a rush.
And also that you think some sort of "bridge" should be built over 23R in order for 23L deps to taxi over?!! That statement beggars belief - how on earth are the inbound aircraft supposed to land over a B747 or indeed any other aircraft taxi-ing over the bridge over the arrival runway????
And - by the way - I believe this occurred during 23R single runway ops - so how was your mythical bridge taxiway going to help exactly?
Get a grip
louby
As the incident occurred on the ground, where ATC ASSIST in preventing collisions, then I take umbrage at your post assuming that the collision occurred due to ATC "trying to squeeze too many slots in"
- especially as you qualify it with that you were not suggesting that that the AIRCRAFT were not in a rush.
And also that you think some sort of "bridge" should be built over 23R in order for 23L deps to taxi over?!! That statement beggars belief - how on earth are the inbound aircraft supposed to land over a B747 or indeed any other aircraft taxi-ing over the bridge over the arrival runway????
And - by the way - I believe this occurred during 23R single runway ops - so how was your mythical bridge taxiway going to help exactly?
Get a grip
louby
Brewster...
the map doesn't show you the taxiway c/lines.
twy juliet splits just at JA.
Straight on is juliet sierra, you turn right to JA or continue straight on to rejoin juliet just before J1.
Juliet goes left into the "passing bay" area where J2 is the CAT111 holding point.
the map doesn't show you the taxiway c/lines.
twy juliet splits just at JA.
Straight on is juliet sierra, you turn right to JA or continue straight on to rejoin juliet just before J1.
Juliet goes left into the "passing bay" area where J2 is the CAT111 holding point.
Last edited by 42psi; 5th Aug 2008 at 21:31. Reason: Correct my sloppy phrasing!!
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Frenchie almost meets Spaniard...and turns again
When I was a kid (some decades ago) two well-knarled thirty year experienced tractor boys well known as regulars in the village pub (each with a newish Fordson tractor - one with white mudguards and one with blue) took years to live down the fact that they had managed a head-on collision whilst ploughing adjacent lands in the same forty acre field.
At LEZG the other evening I watched a 747 freighter taxy on to the massive apron and get into a hell of a pickle working out which way round to park in the vicinity of the two (only) other (passenger) aircraft - I was given to looking directly up his/her four jetpipes at one point and thought of the TopGear jet blast experiment amongst other things...YouTube - top gear- Jetblast but il ou elle sensibly kept the taps on a low setting for this one at Zaragoza ...
Anyway, just prior to that I could swear his/her starboard wingtip had got perilously close to going over the port wing of one of the two lesser aircraft, but then I was relatively safely inside the terminal building swallowing a beer and was just marvelling at what kind of Aena ground control could cause such kit to be doing tyre scraunching incomplete figures of eight in the only congested corner of continuous, level, hard, quite new concrete out of about a hundred vacant hectares of the stuff right outside the terminal window.
I am afraid some people sometimes just fail to bound their actions, do dumb things, some of which go unnoticed and some of which don't, and no amount of after the event analysis is going to teach us a lot about avoiding it or them for the future...but if I remember correctly it was only one San Miguel so could have been small beer in my case
At LEZG the other evening I watched a 747 freighter taxy on to the massive apron and get into a hell of a pickle working out which way round to park in the vicinity of the two (only) other (passenger) aircraft - I was given to looking directly up his/her four jetpipes at one point and thought of the TopGear jet blast experiment amongst other things...YouTube - top gear- Jetblast but il ou elle sensibly kept the taps on a low setting for this one at Zaragoza ...
Anyway, just prior to that I could swear his/her starboard wingtip had got perilously close to going over the port wing of one of the two lesser aircraft, but then I was relatively safely inside the terminal building swallowing a beer and was just marvelling at what kind of Aena ground control could cause such kit to be doing tyre scraunching incomplete figures of eight in the only congested corner of continuous, level, hard, quite new concrete out of about a hundred vacant hectares of the stuff right outside the terminal window.
I am afraid some people sometimes just fail to bound their actions, do dumb things, some of which go unnoticed and some of which don't, and no amount of after the event analysis is going to teach us a lot about avoiding it or them for the future...but if I remember correctly it was only one San Miguel so could have been small beer in my case
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I think not Rainboe ... I don't generally inhabit pubs, because an occasional small beer suffices. I will admit to two cups of Earl Grey only this evening, thanks very much for your observation.
I guess I must just be the idiot that still reads your caustic offerings, but unless directed at me, just pass on by, merely raising my eyebrows higher than yours when you snort and scrape in the dirt at that merest hint of what it is that passes as a red rag in your undoubtedly complex mind ...
But back to the thread - is there really anything to be learned except by the complex minds wot did it?
I guess I must just be the idiot that still reads your caustic offerings, but unless directed at me, just pass on by, merely raising my eyebrows higher than yours when you snort and scrape in the dirt at that merest hint of what it is that passes as a red rag in your undoubtedly complex mind ...
But back to the thread - is there really anything to be learned except by the complex minds wot did it?