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Chinese A319 inflight fire ?

Old 14th Jul 2008, 16:34
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Chinese A319 inflight fire ?

today Ive heard a story through the grapevine, but from accurate origin, that an unknown chinese A319 suffered an inflight fire on a domestic flight sometime last week.
Fire erupted in underbelly. Reportedly, the crew were forced to use the crash axe to gain access to the fire after hacking a hole in the floor.

Emr landing was sucessful in a chinese provincial city, which name I regretably forgot.

not surprisingly, chinese media did not report about this incident.
EADS repair kit is underway, but fire damage is considered substantial at least...

maybe some folks out there can shed a light into this amazing story...

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Old 14th Jul 2008, 17:20
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The Chop?

This one needs careful approach..

The fly by wire controls- (and cables on a/c thus equipped) are routed under the floor, I doubt random hacking at the floor is allowed- could lead to loss of control...once you have hacked up the systems. Oh then there are the hydraulic and electric drives etc

And yes, some signalling paths run through the ceiling, but chopping up the floor? I am sceptical. Anyone else agree?
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Old 14th Jul 2008, 17:45
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Cargo fire detection? Cargo fire extinguishers? Surely they must have those!!!
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Old 14th Jul 2008, 18:17
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I can't buy this story. IF I were the pilot of any airplane in this class, hacking through the floor would not be as important as getting on the ground...even in an off airport landing.

NOW, believe it or not, sometimes baby chickens are part of the cargo...when they PASS GAS (fart to you ) the gas can confuse the fire/smoke detectors and give a warning of fire.

SO...let's get more info to be sure.

BUT, you never know...and always KNOW what your cargo is.
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Old 14th Jul 2008, 18:43
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Nice bed time story but I really struggle with this. How would you know where to start chopping up the floor in a specific sector. I would rather put the plane down in a field..
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This sounds like a bad moviescript.
Cargo fire, maybe.
Hacking through cabinfloor in flight. Don't think so.
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Was it a real A319 or an imitation "Made in China"
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Old 15th Jul 2008, 05:11
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Chinese media and Chinese web boards whilst controlled would not have reason to not report - or gossip respectively - about such an incident. In the past when there have been such incidents in China they do get reported. If the 'plane landed OK the story would have been about how well the crew handled the crisis and bravely saved lives - for instance.
I don't buy the story.
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Old 15th Jul 2008, 06:29
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Was it a real A319 or an imitation "Made in China"
as long as no "chinese" A319s rolled off the production line it must be a germany assembled aircraft.
IIRC, the aircraft in question was a "high altitude" modified one for operations to Lhasa (13136 ft elev.)

I understand your concerns towards that story, but my source is rather trustworthy. You may take into consideration that not all mishaps are leaking into publicity, even with a lucky outcome.
I will try to post more on that strange issue soon...

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Old 15th Jul 2008, 06:44
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I too find this story hard to believe.

Sevenstrokeroll's comment on the chickie birds in the hold got my attention. On flights in and around Djibouti, livestock rides topside with the human cargo.
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Livestock

Flying Tigers and other carriers in China and the Far East had to scrap a number of DC-3s, 4s, C-46s and other AC after WWll because of rotted bellies caused by carrying livestock.

The Chinese also had a habit of lighting cooking fires in the cabins... still happening?

Ernie Gann and others wrote about this.
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Old 15th Jul 2008, 23:14
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Yes on most flights in China people board with all their livestock and they always cook up a pot of congee on the fold down tray table after first building a small fire from kindling and sticks that they hide in their ethnic headgear. It is not uncommon for us to slaughter a families first born goat under a new moon - but in business class in an attempt to please the gods and guarantee a safe flight.
On landing we are all so happy we usually offer the pilot the choice of our cattle and we do a merry dance before nipping out to buy fake Rolex watches and tiger penis nasal balm.
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Old 15th Jul 2008, 23:32
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The Chinese also had a habit of lighting cooking fires in the cabins... still happening?
i cant believe how naive some people are. and then americans ask why people dont respect them....

reminds me of this link i saw on youtube a while back...

YouTube - Americans are NOT stupid - WITH SUBTITLES

back to topic, i dont think any airlines SOP's and checklists will allow crew to take a crash axe out and cut through the floor. i would have thought that they would use access pannels in the floor...
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The image you paint doesn't fit the image of 60+ people and their livestock crowding into C-47s and C-46s as Mao and his forces were advancing.

You never know, though, the way things are going in the world, it may become the norm again.

I'd suggest laying a water (piss) proof barrier under the nice carpet, though. It will save the wires (used to be cables) to the control surfaces. Then there might be a market for some of these parked aircraft.
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No sense of humor!

Nashers! It was a joke. Although it did happen. Talk to an old China hand who flew for Tigers or CNA.
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Im not sure but I think fire extinguishers dont work if not help almost up right, so cutting a hole in the floor would only let smoke into the cabin, unless the poured bottled drinks into the hole??????????? Not heard anything about this in China, so I guess cant be true.
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Old 16th Jul 2008, 06:38
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a bit more revealed...happened on June 23rd, CES A319

check
JACDEC - News - June 2008

No indication of what have caused the fire.

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Old 16th Jul 2008, 14:21
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No indication of what have caused the fire.
probably over-priming


seriously---I can't find the report on the 'JADEC' sight---Lots of interesting stuff otherwise tho

Regarding people's casting aspersions toward the Chinese aircrew
--I'm sure the crew handled the situation with utmost professionalism---we shouldn't stereotype--I know a very good Chinese CFI IGI/AGI---He has a thick accent and all--but he knows full well how to teach people to stay out of court and the mountains at the same time--and NO ONE gets caught up on his accent---as I am multi ethic/multi racial--I'm gonna have Son Ron y platanos--with mi Collard greens and kale and pig feet---while eating some {Goud} roti and curry goat Brautworst...and Scottish whiskey---lets not forget some good succotash---with a NYC hot dog and sushi or sashimi [no I'm not part Asian/japanese-- I'm born in NY --mientras escucho a mi Ana Gabriel


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On landing in rainy conditions, the 737 began to ground-loop off the left side of the runway coming to rest partially on the grass. The left main gear dug in and the left engine apparently contacted the ground. All on board escaped uninjured. Aquaplaning is suspected as possible cause. The main runway at Durban Auirport is 2.440 meters in lengh.
No wonder it had trouble stopping.........
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Old 16th Jul 2008, 18:06
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As it is a German website, 2.440 metres = 2,4 kilometres. No problem there.
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