Accurate reporting? MEN 6th May
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Accurate reporting? MEN 6th May
Apologies if this topic has already been posted
The article below was the front page lead in the Manchester Evening News of Tues 6th May (not April 1!)
‘Plane in near-miss terror as the pilot showed off to boy (90pt headline)
Jet climbed steeply after youngster allowed in cockpit, say passengers
EXCLUSIVE - JOHN SCHEERHOUT
A PLANE from Manchester was forced to climb 10,000ft to avoid another jet because the pilot was showing off to a boy in the cockpit, terrified passengers said.
The pilot of the flight to Paris suddenly pitched left at 33,000ft and the crew allegedly announced the Airbus A380, with 143 passengers, had got ‘too close’ to another plane.
Air France has now launched an investigation after passengers at the front of the aircraft told how they saw one of the cabin crew escort a French boy, aged about 13, into the cockpit.
Shaun Robinson, 40, from Rossendale, said the jet 'rocked and rolled like in a fairground ride’ and passengers said prayers while children cried. He said: ‘The pilot was clearly showing off to this young boy.’
Taking passengers into the cockpit is contrary to rules brought in after the September 11 terror attacks.
The drama began when the Airbus A38O started its descent into Paris on Saturday morning.
Passengers say they could see the pilot making a movement to the left with the controls and the aircraft banked suddenly to the left. The aircraft pitched back to the right and passengers watched as the boy returned to his seat Then, passengers say, they heard alarm noises coming from the cockpit, whose door had been shut, and it is claimed the aircraft suddenly climbed 10,000 ft from its descent.
Mr Robinson said: "Suddenly the pilot made a sharp turn to the left, without warning, and then back again, obviously showing the young French boy how he flew his Airbus. After climbing rapidly by another 10,000 ft the pilot told us he was far too close to the plane in front and air traffic control urgently asked him to climb, climb."
A spokeswoman for Air France said: "Air France takes these allegations extremely seriously. We are investigating.''
■A jet packed with passengers from Majorca had to abort a landing when the pilot spotted drunken youths waving at him on the runway at Blackpool Airport. Ten teenagers were escorted from the runway.
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Front page leader Manchester Evening News Tue 6 May 2008
The article below was the front page lead in the Manchester Evening News of Tues 6th May (not April 1!)
‘Plane in near-miss terror as the pilot showed off to boy (90pt headline)
Jet climbed steeply after youngster allowed in cockpit, say passengers
EXCLUSIVE - JOHN SCHEERHOUT
A PLANE from Manchester was forced to climb 10,000ft to avoid another jet because the pilot was showing off to a boy in the cockpit, terrified passengers said.
The pilot of the flight to Paris suddenly pitched left at 33,000ft and the crew allegedly announced the Airbus A380, with 143 passengers, had got ‘too close’ to another plane.
Air France has now launched an investigation after passengers at the front of the aircraft told how they saw one of the cabin crew escort a French boy, aged about 13, into the cockpit.
Shaun Robinson, 40, from Rossendale, said the jet 'rocked and rolled like in a fairground ride’ and passengers said prayers while children cried. He said: ‘The pilot was clearly showing off to this young boy.’
Taking passengers into the cockpit is contrary to rules brought in after the September 11 terror attacks.
The drama began when the Airbus A38O started its descent into Paris on Saturday morning.
Passengers say they could see the pilot making a movement to the left with the controls and the aircraft banked suddenly to the left. The aircraft pitched back to the right and passengers watched as the boy returned to his seat Then, passengers say, they heard alarm noises coming from the cockpit, whose door had been shut, and it is claimed the aircraft suddenly climbed 10,000 ft from its descent.
Mr Robinson said: "Suddenly the pilot made a sharp turn to the left, without warning, and then back again, obviously showing the young French boy how he flew his Airbus. After climbing rapidly by another 10,000 ft the pilot told us he was far too close to the plane in front and air traffic control urgently asked him to climb, climb."
A spokeswoman for Air France said: "Air France takes these allegations extremely seriously. We are investigating.''
■A jet packed with passengers from Majorca had to abort a landing when the pilot spotted drunken youths waving at him on the runway at Blackpool Airport. Ten teenagers were escorted from the runway.
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Front page leader Manchester Evening News Tue 6 May 2008
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Ummm...
As a non-pilot I promised myself I'd never post in R&N - but seeing as this thread surely won't be around for long, it probably doesn't matter...
Let's see: MAN-CDG in an Air France A380? Passengers who can see the pilots wrestling with the (sidestick) controls? 10,000ft excursions...
...and the question needs to be asked about accurate reporting?
m.
Let's see: MAN-CDG in an Air France A380? Passengers who can see the pilots wrestling with the (sidestick) controls? 10,000ft excursions...
...and the question needs to be asked about accurate reporting?
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I dont post in R&N (Untl now) But seriously what kind of bs is this? to climb 10,000ft in seconds would probably need one of those F203s from stargate, or an A380 with super duper engines!
No persons in the cockpit (correct me if i am wrong) but after sept 11th only applies to usa and is only a sop in european airlines?
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No persons in the cockpit (correct me if i am wrong) but after sept 11th only applies to usa and is only a sop in european airlines?
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Already discussed here:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=325749
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=325749
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No persons in the cockpit (correct me if i am wrong) but after sept 11th only applies to usa and is only a sop in european airlines?
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This is typical sloppy MEN reporting
The Air France story is typical of the sloppy reporting now to be found in the MEN
Last week the MEN had a a story about a lad coming close to a railway "250,000" volt overhead line cable and getting electrocuted, falling onto the track and narrowly missing a "750,000" volt live rail . The incident closed the line from Wigan to Manchester.
Fact 1 - the line from Wigan to Manchester is NOT electrified.
Fact 2 -The West Coast Mainline passes through Wigan and is electrified at 25,000 volts AC not 250,000.
Fact 3 - the nearest live rail to Wigan is on the Mersey Rail network some 15 miles away and that is 750 volts DC not 750,000
Anorak off
The MEN used to have some good reporters especially on the aviation side but regretably most of today's lot are into sensationaist rubbish - never let the facts get in the way of a good story etc.
We all know that most of the story is sensationalist, facts unchecked etc but most of G-Public take it all at face value.
A sad sign of the times.
Rant over
Suzeman
Last week the MEN had a a story about a lad coming close to a railway "250,000" volt overhead line cable and getting electrocuted, falling onto the track and narrowly missing a "750,000" volt live rail . The incident closed the line from Wigan to Manchester.
Fact 1 - the line from Wigan to Manchester is NOT electrified.
Fact 2 -The West Coast Mainline passes through Wigan and is electrified at 25,000 volts AC not 250,000.
Fact 3 - the nearest live rail to Wigan is on the Mersey Rail network some 15 miles away and that is 750 volts DC not 750,000
Anorak off
The MEN used to have some good reporters especially on the aviation side but regretably most of today's lot are into sensationaist rubbish - never let the facts get in the way of a good story etc.
We all know that most of the story is sensationalist, facts unchecked etc but most of G-Public take it all at face value.
A sad sign of the times.
Rant over
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Let me play devils advocate here
Is it not possible that Air France has actually taken delivery of its first A380 early? May be they keep it round the back of the hangar where no one can see it. I saw a film once about an aircraft that didn't appear on radar and no one could photograph it. Thunderbirds I think it was called.
Is it not possible that Air France has actually taken delivery of its first A380 early? May be they keep it round the back of the hangar where no one can see it. I saw a film once about an aircraft that didn't appear on radar and no one could photograph it. Thunderbirds I think it was called.
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Let me play devils advocate here
Is it not possible that Air France has actually taken delivery of its first A380 early? May be they keep it round the back of the hangar where no one can see it. I saw a film once about an aircraft that didn't appear on radar and no one could photograph it. Thunderbirds I think it was called.
Is it not possible that Air France has actually taken delivery of its first A380 early? May be they keep it round the back of the hangar where no one can see it. I saw a film once about an aircraft that didn't appear on radar and no one could photograph it. Thunderbirds I think it was called.
Was it Thunderbird 1,2,3,4,5 or 6?
- Thunderbird 1 - Hypersonic variable geometry rocket plane used for fast response, rescue zone reconnaissance, and as a mobile control base.
- Thunderbird 2 - Heavy supersonic VTOL carrier lifting body aircraft used for the transport of major rescue equipment and vehicles.
- Thunderbird 3 - Reusable, vertically launched SSTO (Single Stage To Orbit) spaceship used for space rescue and maintenance of Thunderbird 5.
- Thunderbird 4 - Small utility submarine for underwater rescue.
- Thunderbird 5 - Earth-orbiting space station which monitors all broadcasts around the globe for calls for help and also manages communications within International Rescue.
- Thunderbird 6 - Primitive biplane used once when the usual vehicles proved too heavy for the job.
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Air France have obviously taken delivery of the 380 and are secretly flying out of Tracey Island.(co-ordinates forbidden)
The pax were unaware of the wires that were controlling Scot and Virgil at the controls and the young lad was Brains.
The pax were unaware of the wires that were controlling Scot and Virgil at the controls and the young lad was Brains.
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Standard Journalistic Procedure
journalists have realised that voltages used in the electric chair don't sound high enough for readers, so they often quote 25,000 volts or 250,000 volts rather than the actual voltage of 2,500
