Congo crash
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an AP report indicates possible engine failure and or tire burst on takeoff...this from a passenger who was a pilot as well.
as to takeoff data, the DC9 series 40 was built for high/hot airports...I have no idea what series DC9 this was, haven't seen pictures.
there are some scenarios where a tire burst can end up being sucked into an engine on the DC9...greater flap setting can reduce this possibility.
as to takeoff data, the DC9 series 40 was built for high/hot airports...I have no idea what series DC9 this was, haven't seen pictures.
there are some scenarios where a tire burst can end up being sucked into an engine on the DC9...greater flap setting can reduce this possibility.
AP - 03:46Z 4/16 update: 21 confirmed dead "mostly on the ground" (!!) No deaths confirmed yet among the 79 on the plane's manifest. 113 injured, including many on the ground obviously
"One of the planes pilots reported that an engine died as the
plane taxied [sic] down the runway, Gov. Mpaluku said. When the pilots
tried to brake, a tire failed as well, the governor said."
had been raining until 1 hour before accident (wet runway?)
Sounds like Murphy's Law was operating overtime...
"One of the planes pilots reported that an engine died as the
plane taxied [sic] down the runway, Gov. Mpaluku said. When the pilots
tried to brake, a tire failed as well, the governor said."
had been raining until 1 hour before accident (wet runway?)
Sounds like Murphy's Law was operating overtime...
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This picture from Goma is from 2006:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/-/-/1162502. Airliners.net
If the situation hasnīt chnge, you can see, that the runway is a little bit shortened by lava.
According to the JACDEC Webiste (http://www.jacdec.de/news/news.htm), the crashed aircraft was a DC-9-50 (-> 9Q-CHN).
http://www.airliners.net/photo/-/-/1162502. Airliners.net
If the situation hasnīt chnge, you can see, that the runway is a little bit shortened by lava.
According to the JACDEC Webiste (http://www.jacdec.de/news/news.htm), the crashed aircraft was a DC-9-50 (-> 9Q-CHN).
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Just to correct the statement that Hewa Bora was included into EU ban list on 11th of April 2008.
In fact, Hewa Bora has always been in EU ban list since it was first published, along with all other DRC operators. The only difference is that previously there was an exemption made for Hewa Bora, allowing them to operate to EU using a particular airframe of their fleet. Initially it was one L1011 (cannot remember the reg), more recently it was 767-200 9Q-CJD, and since the last update they were banned completely.
In fact, Hewa Bora has always been in EU ban list since it was first published, along with all other DRC operators. The only difference is that previously there was an exemption made for Hewa Bora, allowing them to operate to EU using a particular airframe of their fleet. Initially it was one L1011 (cannot remember the reg), more recently it was 767-200 9Q-CJD, and since the last update they were banned completely.
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Reuters quoted Dirk Cramers, an official of Hewa Bora, as saying that the runway was soaked after a heavy rain. At some point, the pilot attempted to abort the takeoff run, but the a/c skidded and crashed through a wall that separated the end of the runway from a market area that was filled with shops. [!]
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It happened with the reason. Congo has one of the worst crash history regarding the airplane crashes per year. This is no surprise.
Overloading their MTOM shouldn't be a problem there.
Overloading their MTOM shouldn't be a problem there.
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The March issue of "Flying" has an interesting--but frightening--article by Lane Wallace about a recent visit to the Congo. It even includes a photo from a Caravan on finals to that stretch of road featured in G09's Youtube video. I gather that road is regularly used as a runway...though the two wrecked Antonov biplanes don't inspire confidence.
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Can anyone identify the aircraft type in the You Tube clip? I looks (to me) like a Beech Queen/King Air. The spinner that can be seen over the pilots shoulder right at the end of the clip might be a clue. It seems to be a very long take-off run and that left curve in the road halfway along is really scary 
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A couple of guys in the hotel last night were saying that SN Brussels is closely involved with Hewa Bora....perhaps a sizeable equity stake and plans to have Hewa Bora provide regional and feeder services out of Kinshasa on their behalf....
Anyone can confirm ?
It would be more than a bit embarrassing if you're heavily involved with and planning to code-share with a company that's been blacklisted in your home town....
Anyone can confirm ?
It would be more than a bit embarrassing if you're heavily involved with and planning to code-share with a company that's been blacklisted in your home town....
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A couple of guys in the hotel last night were saying that SN Brussels is closely involved with Hewa Bora....perhaps a sizeable equity stake and plans to have Hewa Bora provide regional and feeder services out of Kinshasa on their behalf....
Anyone can confirm ?
It would be more than a bit embarrassing if you're heavily involved with and planning to code-share with a company that's been blacklisted in your home town....
Anyone can confirm ?
It would be more than a bit embarrassing if you're heavily involved with and planning to code-share with a company that's been blacklisted in your home town....
SN was not planning to put codeshares on HewaBora flights but they were about to start a NEW airline. This joint-venture is called "airDC", is registered in Mauritius and is supposed to start in Summer 08. As you might be aware, Congo is a former Belgian colony and the strings are still tighter than there might be between Congo and other European nations.
SN was/is supposed to provide 737 and 146 aircraft for a local national and international feeder network into their SN European flights. According to press releases of this week (after blacklisting and crash), SN is closely monitoring the situation and is evaluating a retreat from these plans.
That's the basic story, more info on "airDC" and the persons behind it is easily available here on the site and through other sources.
Hope this helps you a bit further.
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Just to clarify things a bit and so prvent this accident from being a source of speculation based around 1st world practices and expectations.
Goma is a sh1thole
ALL i repeat ALL DRC operators are bogstandard africa. That is to say whatever safety you may take as standard in the first world is an emcumberance to these people and so ignored. Many Pilots of all races are complicit in these bush ops(or masqerading as airlines whilst still being a bush operation) during their career progression.Some are luckier than others.Alot are dead.Its a necessary evil in these parts of the world and nirvanna to an adventure minded chap. Lets be clear it is only luck that prevents this sort of thing being a daily occurrence. Sad fact of life or rather should I say death over there. Association with SN is an irrelevance. A a paper exercise in looking good and then back to the second sentence of this paragraph.
just to sum up Goma is a ****hole.
Hope this helps to keep it in perspective
Its the nature of the beast. It will alway be that way as long as there are crooked countries and experience hungry pilots.
This is not a tragic event but an inevitable one.
As for the let take off video. Horrifying with my airline hat on , but was once fairly routine in a previous life.Welcome to the bush.
Goma is a sh1thole
ALL i repeat ALL DRC operators are bogstandard africa. That is to say whatever safety you may take as standard in the first world is an emcumberance to these people and so ignored. Many Pilots of all races are complicit in these bush ops(or masqerading as airlines whilst still being a bush operation) during their career progression.Some are luckier than others.Alot are dead.Its a necessary evil in these parts of the world and nirvanna to an adventure minded chap. Lets be clear it is only luck that prevents this sort of thing being a daily occurrence. Sad fact of life or rather should I say death over there. Association with SN is an irrelevance. A a paper exercise in looking good and then back to the second sentence of this paragraph.
just to sum up Goma is a ****hole.
Hope this helps to keep it in perspective
Its the nature of the beast. It will alway be that way as long as there are crooked countries and experience hungry pilots.
This is not a tragic event but an inevitable one.
As for the let take off video. Horrifying with my airline hat on , but was once fairly routine in a previous life.Welcome to the bush.
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A rather strange fact has been stated about this accident from people at the site ( to myself )
Crash Fire Rescue (UN) picked up the Capt and First O in the grass up hill from the aircraft next to the runway . Approx 500ft from cockpit with a wall of fire and wreckage in between not to mention a large hill. They were treated for cuts ect at UN Air Ops on airport.
It has been stated that they jumped from the aircraft before it arrived in the market!!!!!
Over all this sounds like a very nasty accident from what I have heared today and the count is sure to increase as the wreakage is moved. BUT as others have said it is only luck that this does not happen everyday around DRC with local air operators.
It is now confirmed by 3 passangers that the pilots DID jump from the aircraft just before it left the runway.
Infact the 3 followed the pilots out of the door and thus are still alive. Strange as it sounds the first one out after the pilots is the Greek archbishop in Kinshasa and the other 2 were Italian nuns
Crash Fire Rescue (UN) picked up the Capt and First O in the grass up hill from the aircraft next to the runway . Approx 500ft from cockpit with a wall of fire and wreckage in between not to mention a large hill. They were treated for cuts ect at UN Air Ops on airport.
It has been stated that they jumped from the aircraft before it arrived in the market!!!!!
Over all this sounds like a very nasty accident from what I have heared today and the count is sure to increase as the wreakage is moved. BUT as others have said it is only luck that this does not happen everyday around DRC with local air operators.
It is now confirmed by 3 passangers that the pilots DID jump from the aircraft just before it left the runway.
Infact the 3 followed the pilots out of the door and thus are still alive. Strange as it sounds the first one out after the pilots is the Greek archbishop in Kinshasa and the other 2 were Italian nuns
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It has been stated that they jumped from the aircraft before it arrived in the market!!!!!
I've heard and read a great deal of cr@p in recent times but this beats all.
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How in heaven's name do you get out of the flight deck of a DC9 at speed without being run over by your own aircraft? Perhaps I should rephrase that to "how in hell". The mind accepts that extraordinary escapes are possible, but this???