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Air Wales cease CWL-MAN route

Old 25th Aug 2001, 14:14
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Any news on the round-Wales flights announced last October? Will these services be among the new routes to be announced soon?
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Old 25th Aug 2001, 14:23
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Sorry to be so damn picky chiglet - but being runway controller on 19/35 could have been fun - a runway with an RET built in ?
Keep up the good work Chig !

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Old 25th Aug 2001, 20:13
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fragul,
As I said...it was "only" 06/24 and 10/28.
'tother r/w was then taxyway 3 [Fantail to T2 apron]. Any oldish OS map shows it quite well
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
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Old 25th Aug 2001, 21:44
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Yeah , got that bit Chig, I were just having a chuckle at the prospect of anyrunway 19/35
if you see what I mean.......
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ok,OK,Ochuffin'K
so I mide a mistook. OF COURSE, I meant 17/35..only ONE pi55take so far....
observant lot, aren't they/we?
Excuse 1, I was bladdered.
Excuse 2, I never saw "that" runway in operation.
Observation 1 I also was u/t Runway Controller at Liverpool, but wasn't there long enough
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Old 26th Aug 2001, 01:45
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Come now Chiglet, that third runway was 02/20. Even saw an EI Viscount
land on it.

Air Kilroe gave MAN-CWL a go with the Jetstream (5 years ago?), and it
was working at the time. Whether they (now Eastern Airways) will take it
on again remains to be seen. I would have thought that there was more
potential in that route, than a MAN-HUY one.

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Old 26th Aug 2001, 02:54
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Sorry for getting a little angry earlier it just im fed up of people saying we are going bust, they have been saying it since we started. One of the reasons man has not been as successful is because we could not get the amount of slots we wanted business men would go up in the morning but not wait till the night to come back, cork however has been doing real well most flights are full and is making good profit so good we have had to put on more flights, big plans for the next year are planned with new aircraft and we have good financial backing so we are not worried we all have to start somewhere.
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Old 29th Aug 2001, 04:01
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Please excuse Captain Chaos - he's a bit hot headed. Truth is Air Wales is OK. We've learnt a lot from CWL-MAN. It didn't work out and now we're gonna try something else. We'll get there in the end...
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Old 29th Aug 2001, 17:30
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Wow - Captain Chaos. All that judgemental crap from one post...! I've followed Air Wales from the start, for the one simple reason that they are a small regional airline, which is exactly the same type of operator as me. I was born in Wales, brought up in Wales, worked in aviation in Wales before having to leave to come to London to seek my "Aviation" fortune.
I have no desire to go into flying professionally - it's really not my idea of fun flying the same routes day in day out, however I am well placed in the industry and speak to all levels on a daily basis - unlike, I assume, yourself who just gets to sit at the sharp end having a pop at management.

My comments on Air Wales are, therefore, pretty well founded, having followed them closely from the start. We've all seen operators come and go, and the majority have been because of the boom and bust mentality of believing that they are invincible. Just because of a succesful Cork route (all credit) it does not follow that a CWL-EWR route would be successful. It's always going to be at major competition from the flag carriers out of London. Having seen that Air India are offering 219 rtn LHR departures, there are few people who would not drive to London for that price. I cannot envisage that Air Wales would be able to offer that kind of price, even with the cross subsidy available from the Cork service...

I'm happy to be corrected on factual errors, but please don't pass judgement on me that because I'm "only" a PPL I'm not really that qualified to pass comment on the situation. There's a little bit more management experience here than simply going on about how my inflight catering's bad, the routing's wrong, the transport late etc.

Aviation is a funny business, it's like the NHS in investment terms. You can always throw money into these things, but unless the management structure is such that it will build the company it is, as Groundhog says, prolonging the agony.

I'm hopeful that Air Wales will go on, I'm not entirely convinced there's a market in around Wales air services - after all, if there was, they would be operating the Cardiff-Swansea-Aberporth-Llanbedr-Caernarfon-Hawarden-Welshpool-Cardiff already. But they're not. After Labour's "New Deal" for Transport there was lots of scope for a (semi-) Government funded service, but I doubt that such money has been made available to the Assembly. After all, Mr Prescott (he who holds the Transport purse strings - despite what the AM's say) must have more pressing issues to fund. Certainly there's no Objective funding available for this type of service at present.

Reach for the stars by all means, but just sit back one day and start counting the number of operators who are still around who went from operating a couple of turbines straight into a transatlantic route...

Still Captain Chaos 747 - when this time next year you're reporting at FLOSI (geez, what kind of a pun is that) with Y Ddraig Goch inbound to EWR please feel free to have a pop at me and my "PPL" knowledge...
 
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Go Daifly. Well said.

I thought with the assembly in Cardiff there are at least a Dorniers worth of Assembly Members from North Wales each week who would relish not having to drive the miserable North/South Wales road... and they'd have nice big travel budgets.

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Old 29th Aug 2001, 19:27
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Just what we need in the London TMA, Dornier 228's flying the Luton -Liverpool sector.

Slow, dont climb, certainly do not descend and only carry 19 people in un-pressurised brain numbing mayhem!!

Air Wales, I thought EuroCeltic wanted this route?
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Old 29th Aug 2001, 21:32
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I have heard it all before but I say again the bottom line is Air Wales is not going anywhere unless it becomes commercial in action and thought and that will not happen without a fundemental change in top management and that requires investment in the right people at the right price. You can talk about Round Wales services, Transatlantics or flying to the Moon but get the overheads out of control and the marketing wrong and your dead.

I know its boring but as soon as Mr Thomas starts believing that he stands a chance of building a solid regional airline, the potential is there but Air Wales has no one in the entire company who knows how to take advantage of it.

Desperately want to see it work if only because the team so deserve it and I am still in love with F/O CG??

On the subject of people 'always saying it will go bust' I can go back further than that and I seem to remember a certain well known Ppruner offering to plait sh*t if it ever started .... look forward to seeing it one day ???

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Still what would I know..
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Old 31st Aug 2001, 13:40
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Jeez, what a palarva.

Just seen this thread, wassup Chaos? I always thought you were a decent bloke. Just remember you sold pizza's for a living in the past, we all have to start somewhere.
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Old 31st Aug 2001, 15:37
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Here's the latest update from the BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/...00/1517786.stm
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