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Old 26th Aug 2001, 17:44
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Interesting point Kaptin, but I don't think that the Chinese pilots at other Chinese airlines are able to do much about their collective service conditions, let alone salaries. Suspect that to complain too much would land them in jail, pronto. KE style.
In the end, CX will no doubt slide downhill toward a relative third-world status, salaries and all. The pilots there just do not have the critical mass and leverage to do much about it. They may consider themselves permanent staff, but the facts show otherwise.
Spoke to a retired CX F/E recently and his only comment was that the CX ship has left the dock, and the present crew members have been left behind, gazing into the sunset.
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Old 26th Aug 2001, 18:01
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Danny, I never thought I’d hear myself say this, but do you think the flood control setting needs to be increased to something waaaaaay beyond 270 seconds just to reduce the number of posts from you-know-who-A, (or should that be ‘eh’?)

The bloke must sit at his computer with a **** stop watch waiting to post the next of his gems of wisdom.

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Old 26th Aug 2001, 18:13
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Andu---
Seems you are not able to accept facts, as opposed to "shoot the messanger" style that many have here.
Reminds me of an ex-Eastern Air Lines captain who joined SV in the early 90's and "thought" he should start an expat flight crew union, to improve service conditions. Exit only visa was his reward.
His attitude at the time was....don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up.
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Old 26th Aug 2001, 19:36
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Among his unpleasant opinions 411A drops apparent facts which need to be challenged. In his 18.37 post he suggests that striking CX crew risk jail under HK law.
No.
Striking is not illegal. The strikers risk sacking without even the 3 months pay in lieu given the 49.
Next is the suggestion (13.02 post) that CX is now Chinese (i.e. mainland PRC) run.
No.
It's still a Swire company albeit with Chinese shareholding. It's a British company.
Check out the board of Swire Pacific - one Chinese name and he's from Taiwan...
Non-exec directors - only Baroness Dunn (chinese name: Dung) and she lives in the Cotswolds.
When will Danny give 411A the treatment he gave A380 (I think that's right) who simply disappeared about 10 days ago.
We all like a Devil's advocate from time to time...but all the time?

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Old 26th Aug 2001, 21:29
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expressman--
Pilots need the permission of the company in order to strike under HKG labor law, as reported in the SCMP. They may very well find themselves in the slammer if they break the law, as KE pilots have just experienced a few short days ago. What makes you think otherwise? If this were not the case, then i'm sure they would have walked out a long time ago.
And I did not say that CX was directly controlled by the PRC, but the indirect ties are unmistakable and they will INcrease rather than decrease over the next few years.
And as for the moderator chasing me off, well he is free to do so anytime, but I present unpopular opinions to some because I have been around aviation worldwide a long time and have found that many pilots simply close their eyes to reality when it suits their perceived agenda. Look on the bright side, who would you throw daggars at if it wasn't me?
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Old 27th Aug 2001, 17:49
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There seem to be a lot of posts which are vehemently against 411A. I have read many of his posts and can only see them as reasonable points of view. You may not agree with his views but that does not give you the right to insult him, even anonymously! He referred to pilots in China being imprisoned if they were to strike, not in HK. There is still a difference, however subtle.

The expats in Cathay management are under the misapprehension that they are doing the right thing. In my experience as soon as their chinese masters have had enough of them they will receive the same treatment as the pilots. Be under no illusion as to who is in control here. It is a bit like a marriage you may think you are in control but your wife most surely is in fact in control, albeit in the background!
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Old 28th Aug 2001, 00:30
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Gee, you would think a communist country would be more labor-friendly.
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Old 28th Aug 2001, 06:25
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Flap 5 you must be married to 411A! Which one of you wears the trousers?
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Old 28th Aug 2001, 13:03
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It is true that the current bunch of tossers run CX under a 'management contract' from the Swire board. Perhaps they'll find out what the HKG labour laws are like from the other end........
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Old 28th Aug 2001, 21:19
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Stopstart--
Your point is a good one and if the CX management lose the confidence of the Board OR large investors they are finished. This may well be the only bright spot on the horizon for everyone concerned.
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Old 31st Aug 2001, 03:08
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Our illustrious management at CX have driven the stock price down to 8.85 HKD. Way to go boys. Now they are offering cheap tickets to get the passenger numbers up. Talk about being lead by the blind. These clowns still don't get the big picture. It's hard to have a successful business when you p1ss off all the employees. Keep up the good work. Wait until the stock hits 4.00 before you buy.
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Old 31st Aug 2001, 17:51
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Or of course you can sell short on margin using HKG brokers...theres no way the stock is going anywhere but down so you should be able to make a killing....just don't use MY money....
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