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Old 1st Mar 2008, 07:02
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Flash, I am not current on the map-ground there but as I recall there can be significant haze and dust. There were no significant high rise like Ayre's Rock.

I concede that the river is a pretty distinctive boundary marker but only if the Iranians agree. Anyway it is usual to have a 10 mile separation zone so you should not expect to see the river
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Old 1st Mar 2008, 16:53
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VFR map reading at FL350? In class B airspace? at night? or IMC? ...in Iraq?

The packages don't have to get there THAT badly, do they? Holy crap just fix the damn GPS already!
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Old 2nd Mar 2008, 10:41
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Maintenance refuses to do anything about it!!!!!!!!!!

Highly unlikely.

This is an MEL conflict and has nothing to do with maintenance.

The MEL is in conflict with the companies operating procedures.

It is up to the operations department to resolve the issue and ammend the MEL.

Operations owns the MEL not maintenance.

If crews fly in breach of the companies operating procedures that is nothing to do with maintenance.

It appears to me that some of the crews are trying to shift the responsibilty for not flying the aircraft by getting the engineers to ground the aircraft for them.

Balls lack off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 2nd Mar 2008, 12:47
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Not only DHL in the Middle East that raises my eyebrows.

I was at a B727 approved maintenance outfit in the UK, lets say 10years ago plus. There was a US registered B727 on hire/transfer to DHL based in BRU I had a look inside. Although it appeared to have all the legal radio equipment for the period,(including coffee grinder ADF's) I never saw a GPS receiver on board. My first thought was "how shortsighted!" as any GPS installation on the a/c would have paid for itself in fuel savings, in a very short period of time indeed by more accurate direct routing's etc., apart from making the pilots feel a lot happier.

Left me thinking, if this is how the DHL management "think", what else are they skimming on?
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Old 2nd Mar 2008, 14:23
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You'd flip in Memphis- we've got ~110 B727's blasting off every night with nothing but two VOR heads and alot of guts....

(Still a few DC-10-10's as well!)
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Old 2nd Mar 2008, 22:16
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ericferret...What???

The MEL is approved by the licensing authority (i.e.-HZ, N, S9, G, etc..)

Years ago I was an FE on a 727 heading out of MIA for South America...One generator was inop, which was legal within our MEL...

I informed Maint that the Capt would most likely refuse the a/c, so they should probably try to find a generator...

Maint said it was legal, Capt says great, I'll fly it to ORD or LAX, but not over the Andes at night w/ only 2 generators...

A lesson I learned and live by...Just because te MEL says "it's" legal, dosen't mean "it's" safe...

Well done to the DHL Capt...
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Old 4th Mar 2008, 14:27
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One of these?
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Old 5th Mar 2008, 22:30
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Alternative navigation

Anyone still remember celestial navigation or dead reckoning? Know your stars and where they should be positioned relative to the track you're flying? Know your winds and airspeed and calculate (compensated) compass heading? Use your watch? This is the stuff that keeps you in proper stand-by mode and may prevent you from falling asleep on long (boring?) flights!

Should a pilot's brain not be prepared at all times to take over from a malfunctioning instrument and/or refuse a T/O when the instrument is vital
to exact position information, particularily where fanatic idiots take potshots at your aircraft?

And don't give me this "old fart" argument, that's been used too often.
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Old 6th Mar 2008, 01:37
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I am honestly surprised that there are people, on a forum that purport to be professional pilots, that react in any other way, than "good on them" to that crews decision not to take of with a minimum equipment breach.

so the question that seems most pertinent, is how and why has this been normalized?
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Old 6th Mar 2008, 12:07
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Just goes to show

AFAIK DHL is a part of Deutsche Post now, and their Management is not real popular in Germany at this time, the reason being: they were involved in dodgy business practices, generally underpaying employees, and scrounging money where they could.

Why should they take care of their aircraft or crews, if that interferes with the earnings?
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Old 7th Mar 2008, 03:50
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AFAIK DHL is a part of Deutsche Post now, and their Management is not real popular in Germany at this time, the reason being: they were involved in dodgy business practices, generally underpaying employees, and scrounging money where they could.
...as well as having a CEO getting caught cheating on taxes big time (not declaring the interest he earned on money secretly transfered to a numbers account in Liechenstein). This now ex-CEO got caught, together with hundreds others, after a former Liechtenstein bank employee sold a CD with hundreds of account files to German intelligence, who gave it to the tax office.
The German tax office also gave copies of this disk to other European countries, e.g. the UK and Ireland, so that they can prosecute their own tax evaders.
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