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Contact Willie Walsh
Do you have a contact fax number for Willie Walsh?
I would love to give him a piece of my mind. If this strike does go ahead, and if passengers' travel plans are disrupted yet again, it will not end well for BA.
The routes are being opened up later this year and customers will have more options. We WILL vote with our feet. What will BA be left with then? As it is their reputation is all but in tatters. No-one who has flown with them has a good word to say about them.
I would love to give him a piece of my mind. If this strike does go ahead, and if passengers' travel plans are disrupted yet again, it will not end well for BA.
The routes are being opened up later this year and customers will have more options. We WILL vote with our feet. What will BA be left with then? As it is their reputation is all but in tatters. No-one who has flown with them has a good word to say about them.
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However valid your cause you will be buggering up PASSENGERS - these are the ones who will be inconvenienced and out of pocket - the general public again. Easter as well - that's rich.
Your gripe is with your MANAGEMENT but your strike won't cause any of THEM personal financial harm, only inconvenience - which is what their job is to deal with anyway. As managers they are paid to deal with the sort of problems you will give them - they may even bring PR consultants in. They will still get their fat salaries don't you have any doubt about that.
Have you ever seen a director or top manager personally penalised after any crippling strike? More likely some will get a peerage!
Whatever your cause it is morally wrong to use/abuse your customers in a dogfight with your management. You tell some of the thousands of dissapointed people in the terminal queues over Easter that this is in their long term interest and see what they think!
Edited to clarify that I am not a commercial pilot (PPL) so this posting is from the viewpoint of a passenger.
Your gripe is with your MANAGEMENT but your strike won't cause any of THEM personal financial harm, only inconvenience - which is what their job is to deal with anyway. As managers they are paid to deal with the sort of problems you will give them - they may even bring PR consultants in. They will still get their fat salaries don't you have any doubt about that.
Have you ever seen a director or top manager personally penalised after any crippling strike? More likely some will get a peerage!
Whatever your cause it is morally wrong to use/abuse your customers in a dogfight with your management. You tell some of the thousands of dissapointed people in the terminal queues over Easter that this is in their long term interest and see what they think!
Edited to clarify that I am not a commercial pilot (PPL) so this posting is from the viewpoint of a passenger.
Last edited by funfly; 21st Feb 2008 at 12:38. Reason: Clarification
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Funfly - what in God's name would you have us do in this situation? It's not like we are the BLeyland workers in the 70s-downing tools at the drop of a hat?! BA walked away from the negotiations - not BALPA. None of us want to strike and we are fully aware of the disruption/aggravation this is going to cause the travelling public whose continued patronage keeps us employed.
At this moment I see no other course of action that will protect our jobs/Ts and Cs over the longer term.........
PS I'm sorry if my response appears rather aggressive - it's not meant to be. More a sense of frustration that management incompetence/intransigence has brought about this impasse - they are also largely responsible for the shambolic state of the day to day operation at LHR which you the passenger, and we the flight and cabin crew have to endure. And for which we, the crew, have to make repeated apologetic PAs........Its shameful and pathetic.
At this moment I see no other course of action that will protect our jobs/Ts and Cs over the longer term.........
PS I'm sorry if my response appears rather aggressive - it's not meant to be. More a sense of frustration that management incompetence/intransigence has brought about this impasse - they are also largely responsible for the shambolic state of the day to day operation at LHR which you the passenger, and we the flight and cabin crew have to endure. And for which we, the crew, have to make repeated apologetic PAs........Its shameful and pathetic.
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funfly,
If you can think of a way to secure my future terms and conditions without needing to go on strike (something that BALPA have not already thought of), my colleagues and I (and no doubt BA management) would be delighted to hear it.
Remember, BA walked out of the negotiations, not BALPA.
If you can think of a way to secure my future terms and conditions without needing to go on strike (something that BALPA have not already thought of), my colleagues and I (and no doubt BA management) would be delighted to hear it.
Remember, BA walked out of the negotiations, not BALPA.
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I like a large number of people HAD planned to fly over Easter with my family.
I can promise BA and BAA that irrespective of the outcome of ANY decision, I will vote with MY CASH and WILL take my business elsewhere. I refuse to be used as a negotiating tool by anybody. The intolerable disaster that is BA and Heathrow is something that ordinary fare paying Pax are systematically deserting.
I run my own company, NONE of my clients care an iota about my staff problems. If I cannot deliver on time and to budget I am OUT OF BUSINESS.
Wake up and smell the coffee - I don't care one IOTA about your staff problems, I want to fly when I want to fly, if you don't deliver, I WILL find someone who can and I WON'T come back.
Hurry up and move out to the DOGGER BANK or somewhere, and take rest of the BAA truck with you. 3rd Runway - Terminal 6 for what, more of the same garbage service. Close the whole lot down and make a park and a Golf Course Put up a hospital and some schools.
Imagegear - just another one of thousands of very angry fare paying punters.
RANT - only just beginning.
I can promise BA and BAA that irrespective of the outcome of ANY decision, I will vote with MY CASH and WILL take my business elsewhere. I refuse to be used as a negotiating tool by anybody. The intolerable disaster that is BA and Heathrow is something that ordinary fare paying Pax are systematically deserting.
I run my own company, NONE of my clients care an iota about my staff problems. If I cannot deliver on time and to budget I am OUT OF BUSINESS.
Wake up and smell the coffee - I don't care one IOTA about your staff problems, I want to fly when I want to fly, if you don't deliver, I WILL find someone who can and I WON'T come back.
Hurry up and move out to the DOGGER BANK or somewhere, and take rest of the BAA truck with you. 3rd Runway - Terminal 6 for what, more of the same garbage service. Close the whole lot down and make a park and a Golf Course Put up a hospital and some schools.
Imagegear - just another one of thousands of very angry fare paying punters.
RANT - only just beginning.
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We all have the right to strike. But we don't have the right to hold thousands of passengers to ransom over the dates. This is a dispute between the union and the management, and since BALPA already knows the strike dates witholding them in the belief that such action provides a tactical advantage is naive and short-sighted. Easter is a month away, and thousands have holidays booked. Spoiling them, or failing to give enough notice to allow alternative arrangements to be made will win no friends and gain no sympathy.
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Willie Walsh
Seriously, if someone can give me a fax number that will reach Willie Walsh then I would be most grateful.
I want to vent my frustation as a passenger who was due to fly with you next week on a much anticipated, and longed for holiday.
As a result of the incompetence and apparent hard-headedness of the BA management team it now looks as though my holiday is going to be spoiled - if not completely then certainly through a great deal of unnecessary hassle.
As passengers, we will go elsewhere in future, you can be sure of that.
I want to vent my frustation as a passenger who was due to fly with you next week on a much anticipated, and longed for holiday.
As a result of the incompetence and apparent hard-headedness of the BA management team it now looks as though my holiday is going to be spoiled - if not completely then certainly through a great deal of unnecessary hassle.
As passengers, we will go elsewhere in future, you can be sure of that.
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As someone who is due to fly to the US with BA in a little over a week, the thing I most interested in now is strike dates.
Any idea when these will be released?
Cheers
S
Any idea when these will be released?
Cheers
S
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I sympathise with your position guys, but like it or not, pilots (especially BA pilots) are perceived by the public at large to be very highly paid individuals, and it won't go unnoticed that "spoilt" is an anagram of "pilots".
Good luck.....you're gonna need it!!!
Good luck.....you're gonna need it!!!
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I am not a BA pilot but have heard both sides of the argument.
Having talked to a number of BA pilots it is clear that they do not want to go on strike but feel that they have been left with no other choice.
From the BA side of things they can't believe pilots are going to go on strike for something that seemingly won't affect them at all and also as they get a guaranteed pay rise every year of a certain percentage where other staff in BA don't have that luxury.
Unfortunatly I think it is damned of you do damned if you don't for the pilots as I think overall they will lose anyway in the long term, along with others at BA and in the industry generally. Look at the way the low costs have gone.
All it is going to take in 10-20 years time is for a rich airline from the east to come in to the UK market with no worries what so ever about finance and you can bet they won't give a flying F*** about lowering terms and conditions all round.
The threat to terms and conditions, not only for pilots, but everyone in the industry long term, isn't going to come from within BA, it will come from outside.
Having talked to a number of BA pilots it is clear that they do not want to go on strike but feel that they have been left with no other choice.
From the BA side of things they can't believe pilots are going to go on strike for something that seemingly won't affect them at all and also as they get a guaranteed pay rise every year of a certain percentage where other staff in BA don't have that luxury.
Unfortunatly I think it is damned of you do damned if you don't for the pilots as I think overall they will lose anyway in the long term, along with others at BA and in the industry generally. Look at the way the low costs have gone.
All it is going to take in 10-20 years time is for a rich airline from the east to come in to the UK market with no worries what so ever about finance and you can bet they won't give a flying F*** about lowering terms and conditions all round.
The threat to terms and conditions, not only for pilots, but everyone in the industry long term, isn't going to come from within BA, it will come from outside.
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I am sorry for the affected passengers
I am beyond thinking that you lot whoever you might be, can get this mess together, contingency plans are upper most in mine and everyones mind.
I am sure that you all have reasons for doing what you are doing, so do I for what I am saying.
Checking OUT
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I'm a passenger posting on here, and I agree with the decision to strike - despite the fact I may fall victim to them in the very near future.
What I'm interested in now is the dates of the strikes. From there I, and other passengers, will be able to see if they need to make alternative arrangements.
I don't envy the BA pilots being put in this position, those who actually care about providing a good service to their passengers must not relish the prospect of this action.
What I'm interested in now is the dates of the strikes. From there I, and other passengers, will be able to see if they need to make alternative arrangements.
I don't envy the BA pilots being put in this position, those who actually care about providing a good service to their passengers must not relish the prospect of this action.
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Write to WW
Part of the reason we fly with BA is the quality of the flight and cabin crew. The decision they've taken is not one that they have taken lightly. As a frequent flyer I put my trust in the men and woman that are trained to make what could be life and death decisions on my behalf. I therefore fully support their action and any criticism should be directed at Willie Walsh and the board of BA who are simply undermining their staff and threatening their long term careers.
I personally want the guys up front to concentrate on the job in hand and not have their management creating uncertainty over their future career paths and security.
I personally want the guys up front to concentrate on the job in hand and not have their management creating uncertainty over their future career paths and security.
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BA management are beligerent and pig-headed because they won't concede to the pilots' terms?
How then are the BA Pilots not beligerent and pig-headed for not conceding to the BA management terms?
How then are the BA Pilots not beligerent and pig-headed for not conceding to the BA management terms?
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IMAGEGEAR......do not worry, if you are off to the Algarve....you will still be able to go there with GB Airways ( BA Franchise ) even if the strike happens.....however...at the end of March it will change to Easyjet!!