BA Pilot Ballot results

[Fake Sealion]

Lets assume for a moment the concillation talks fail and a strike is announced with the required notice.

What exactly will be the options offerred by BA to non-refundable BA ticket holders if their flight is cancelled. Partial refund? Flight vouchers?

As such a ticket holder, I am simply trying to line up a contigency plan for existing car hire, onward (non BA) flights and hotel bookings OR considering binning the whole holiday.

As previously posted, I back to pilots action but still would like to salvage something from a long awaited trip.

I have emailed BA 4 times over the weekend and today - no response

Pretty rich for a company which banked my hard earned dosh last September.

[intortola]

Mr Bunker etc - you may be suprised and find you do have quite a lot of support from the general public. For those of us that have read this thread and understand the reasons we fully support you. I too have flights booked in the coming months, luckily they are fully changeable. I hope it doesnt come down to a strike but if it does stick to your guns and win, do not let it all be in vain, dont let us SLF suffer for nothing, get what you want to resolve this issue once and for all.

[OZOS]

Pacamack I think you have missed the point.

It's not a negotiated agreement that is in dispute. It is a change that the management want to impose that BALPA and the company are in discussions (if you can say Mr Walsh's skills extend to that) about.

They are merely trying to protect the terms and conditions they have.

[3Greens]

don't let chaps like sergeui wind us up. With 3 posts to date i reckon there is a better than even chance he is a BA manager trying to whip up some public aggression towards BA pilots. Come on then matey, which one are you?

[Norman Stanley Fletcher]

Once again, I would like to extend my total support to our BA colleagues. They are being faced with a direct attack on their future. My only question is, what were the 21% who voted against industrial action thinking of? If the BA pilots do not win this battle then it will be open season on pilots across Europe.

[pacamack]

OZOS

BA Pilots want a change to Schedule K not BA management.
BA management want to leave Schedule K as it is.
BA management are not making, nor proposing to make, any changes to the T&C of BA pilots operating in and out of the UK under the Schedule K.

[overstress]

There are new members appearing with badly spelt passenger gripes.

I quote Danny's words from the bottom of every page on this forum:

As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, to elicit certain reactions.

[G-BPED]

Originally Posted by 3Greens

don't let chaps like sergeui wind us up. With 3 posts to date i reckon there is a better than even chance he is a BA manager trying to whip up some public aggression towards BA pilots. Come on then matey, which one are you?

It was rather odd that "sergeui" logged out during the middle of his attack on BA pilots.

He logged off about 17:30, rather late working for a BA manager I would have thought .

Anyway guys, as many of you have said you are in this to maintain your terms & conditions.

Good luck to you all, ignore the trolls, they will be long gone and you will still be in your seats at the "front"

Regards,

G-BPED

[Hand Solo]

Originally Posted by pacamack

BA management are not making, nor proposing to make, any changes to the T&C of BA pilots operating in and out of the UK under the Schedule K.

My bold there.

[overstress]

I wonder which manager packamack is?!

[OZOS]

'Overstress' I'm thinking maybe you are right. Is 'Pacamack' Mr Walsh himself?????

Can any of you hard working BA pilots inform us of what 'Schedule K' actually is? And what exactly this has to do with your current T&C's/ Open Skies.

Thanks in advance.

[Hand Solo]

Schedule K is our Employment Security agreement. It's intent is to ensure that all BA aircraft over 100 seats are flown by BA pilot. It's scope is currently the UK. Now that BA can fly from the EU we want it to cover the EU too. The reason it ultimately affects our T&Cs is that if BA succeed in setting up an internal rival airline then they will allow mainline growth to wither, forcing BA pilots to compete with OS pilots for investment and flying opportunities. BA pilots will be forced to either reduce their T&Cs towards OS levels or accept career stagnation.

[OZOS]

Thanks Hand Solo.

Pacamack - is it not then the Management that want to change Schedule K here???

BA Pilots - still behind you 100%

[pacamack]

Ozos, no. As previously stated, the management want to leave Schedule K as it is currently written. The pilots want it changed to cover geographies other than the UK.

The prospect that BA will allow their UK centric operations to wither and die seem more than a little far fetched. I seem to recall some A380s an 787s being on order that will be needing a large number of BA drivers!

[Dysag]

I invite any BA potential striker to explain how a victory in this dispute would help the future travelling public. I'd like to understand.

[hellsbrink]

Dysag

I ain't a pilot but this is NOTHING to do with the "public benefit". This is about people's livelihoods.

Now, how would you feel if you had been working happily in your job for some time and then the company decided to start bringing in agency workers because they were cheaper? YOU are the one who suffers, as the people who get paid less tend to get the OT, etc, and if you don't comply with that you lose out.

I know it ain't a perfect analogy, but it is a valid one. After all, it wasn't all that long ago when I was one who was "out" at the proposals to take up to 70% of our (sparks) work away by using partially trained people to do most of the installation of the metalwork we put cables on/in. Our T&C's would have been thrown out the window as these people would have been doing the very job we had spent years training for, and since fewer electricians would therefore be needed we would HAVE to take a pay cut or not have a job. Is that sort of thing right?

Maybe you should ask your company to outsource your work, see how your standard of living survives.

(Sorry, again, for posting in the "flying" section, but I am behind the BA pilots 100% on this one)

[old,not bold]

What I'm trying to understand, along with Dysag's bewilderment, is why driving customers away in their thousands, FOR EVER, is going to help pilots preserve their conditions.

Have your rows with the dreadful, incompetent BA management, by all means. You are probably in the right. Good luck.

But when you've won, and BA is an even bigger basket case than it is now, look up the expression "Pyrrhic Victory."

You might then wonder whether using your customers as a weapon was such a bright idea, when they've all disappeared. They don't care for being treated like that.

Mind you, this is a wasted post if it's true that a strike has been called off!

[Hand Solo]

So to summarise old, not bolds strategy, there's no point fighting anything as you'll always lose. You must have sore knees from living life on them.

[Human Factor]

I seem to recall some A380s an 787s being on order that will be needing a large number of BA drivers!

Likewise.

There will be another tranche of orders in eighteen months or so. Can you guarantee they will need a large number of BA drivers for those?

We can't. Hence the dispute.

[pacamack]

Human Factor if they fly in and out of the UK then Schedule K will guarantee that they will need a large number of BA drivers.