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BA B777 Incident @ Heathrow (merged)

Old 17th Jan 2008, 15:05
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EGLL 171350Z 22015KT 9999 FEW021 12/09 Q0995 TEMPO 24018G28KT SHRA BKN015CB

...but as someone said this type of weather doesn't normally pose a problem for pilots.
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 15:09
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Metars

EGLL 171350Z 22015KT 9999 FEW021 12/09 Q0995 TEMPO 24018G28KT SHRA BKN015CB
EGLL 171320Z 22016KT 9999 BKN014 BKN020 11/09 Q0996 TEMPO 24020G32KT 6000 SHRA BKN015CB

EGLL 171250Z 20013KT 9999 BKN008 10/08 Q0996 BECMG 24018G28KT SCT012 BKN020
EGLL 171220Z 21014KT 180V240 9999 SCT008 BKN010 09/08 Q0997 TEMPO 21018G28KT 4000 RADZ BKN008
EGLL 171150Z 20014KT 170V240 9999 FEW006 SCT010 09/08 Q0997 TEMPO 20018G28KT 4000 RADZ BKN006
EGLL 171120Z 19017KT 160V230 5000 DZ BKN006 OVC010 09/07 Q0998 TEMPO 19020G30KT 4000

No sign of windshear conditions, but very hard to imagine any other explanation!
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 15:14
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Two eye witnesses reported plane did not make normal straight approach but was turning/heavily banked. Unclear if it was turning or just banked when they saw it. Photos confirm landed very short and slid a long way on grass - almost from the fence. Pax said no briefing given and thought all normal prior.

Sorry if this is duplicate post due bandwidth problem.
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 15:23
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B777

Wx, no factor.
Are there any signs of fuel where it came to rest, or anywhere else?

No casualties, the most important thing!
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 15:23
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Some observations from the BBC pictures

Flaps don't appear to be at 30 deg
Spoilers are retracted
APU inlet door open.

Maybe all this is a result of the very heavy landing?

And it slid only about 1500'

Must have been a very slow forward speed.

Some very lucky boys and girls, and one tough 777
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 15:24
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Second passenger now interviewed on Sky says the evacuation was initiated by the cabin crew without hearing from the pilots. Re-iterated that he heard nothing from the flightdeck over the PA.

Sounds as if he is in shock. Racing certainty (for me) is that the evacuation was initiated by the cabin crew.

Pax now breaking into tears (called Jason) as being interviewed..

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Old 17th Jan 2008, 15:29
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Just Seen This....

The 777-200 aircraft, registration G-YMMM, was built by
Boeing in 2001. The twin-engine plane is powered by Rolls-
Royce Group Plc Trent 800 engines and had accumulated 23,476
flying hours as of Dec. 31, 2006, according to data on the Web
site of the U.K. Civil Aviation Authority.
Poor weather may have been a factor in the incident, which didn't appear to be a premeditated emergency landing, said Robert
Cullemore, a consultant with Aviation Economics in London.
``From all sources, it would seem that something must have
happened in the minutes or seconds prior to touching down,''
Cullemore said. ``Windshear, a sudden burst of wind, is the
most likely culprit.''
British Airways will most likely have to write off the
damaged aircraft and may consequently face operational
difficulties, he said.
``BA's safety record is exemplary and the rapid evacuation
of the passengers without loss of life is a tribute to their
safety commitment,'' he said.
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I will correct my previous post

After looking at another photo of a 777 landing the outboard Flaps DO appear to be in the correct postion ( 30 deg ) on BA 38
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 15:36
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Latest from BBC. A quote from an "airport worker" who has spoken to the Captain:

"...loss of all power and avionics, it was a glide approach"
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 15:36
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News 24 claim Captain mentioned loss of all power and avionics, having to glide the A/C in....... Though witnesses claim a noisy aircraft passing overhead
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 15:38
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Willie Walsh now on live UK TV. Deliberately praised both the Cabin and FLIGHTDECK crew. Mentions incredible crew training, his 43 B777's have his "total confidence", said it was "completely innapropriate" to comment on pilots actions when specifically asked.

For a live TV interview under difficult circumstances he (to my eyes) came across well. Sombre, reasonable and credible.

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Old 17th Jan 2008, 15:41
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What hit the starboard elevator ??? Looks a right mess with bits flapping off the leading edge.

The whole airframe looks a w/o, wing snapped at the spar.

WW looked in shock then as well, I think there might be an awful lot to this story....
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 15:57
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Sky News now reporting "chatter" that the aircraft lost all power and that the passengers "owe their lives to the heroes in the cockpit". Meanwhile the studio presenter states that these "planes glide like bricks". Direct quotes from one minute ago from Sky

The media read every word here. Post appropriately.

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Old 17th Jan 2008, 16:07
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ITYF that it was the starboard u/c assembly departing that struck the horizontal stabiliser, the pix I've seen show that the port u/c is jammed under the fuselage with the top of the leg several feet through the wing top surface whereas the other main u/c legs (starboard and centre) are some couple of hundred metres behind the airframe.

Whatever the cause, and as ever there are conflicting reports, it seems all the crew earned their pay and our respect today.

It seems to me that it's probably just as well that they touched down in some nice soft soggy grass, the same descent rate onto the tarmac could have resulted in a lot more damage, perhaps breaking the fuselage and allowing a lot of fuel to leak out.
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 16:13
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I'm suprised the issue of Fuel Starvation hasn't been brought up by the BBC yet......

Loss of power on finals etc.....
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 17:50
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Despite what the so called aviation experts claim, loss of both engines at low level is very rarely practised in the sim. Though I have seen it done, it is by no means routine.

Everyone is out safe tonight... I see the pax are complaining now because the flight deck told them nothing. I guess they were a bit too busy at the time trying to avoid West London!

This lack of Pprune bandwidth is a bit of a pain..... Must be all the journos desperately pressing the refresh button

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Looking at the marks on the grass from the media coverage, if power was lost then it looks as if he stretched the glide and just sneaked it in over the fence with a fairly high rate of descent due to stretching the glide to get it there. No other options I would suppose. Very very lucky, skillfull, both ?
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 18:32
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Question british airways crash LHR

BBC has a witness (engineer) who told them that the pilot said he had to glide it in (engine failure) so what I think happened is the engines failed. Came in to land at LHR but was getting low before the runway (maybe a bit of windshear) so the pilot pulled up to try and gain a bit of altitude but lost a lot of airspeed (witness reports say that the plane came in very slow) but with loss of speed and the nose up the plane stalled nose came down (witness reports say it had a swing action with the nose going up then coming down) with it stalling it fell out of the air and hard on to the ground before the runway causing a very hard landing which would have resulted in the landing gear collapsing.

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Old 17th Jan 2008, 18:39
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Interesting to see the APU inlet door open.
Some 'expert' on the Beeb (Radio Five) claimed that the crew were 'busy' trying to restart the engines using the APU . . .
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 18:40
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Given that the damage appears to have disrupted the fuel tanks and that there was no ensuing inferno...despite the sparks.....this coupled with the alleged glide approach points a finger very firmly in one direction. Fuel, or rather absence of it.

What would the normal MDF be for a 777 at LHR?
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