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Tarom B737 hit a car on the runway at TO

Old 30th Dec 2007, 10:24
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Tarom B737 hit a car on the runway at TO

It happened today in OTP, Bucharest. There were 120 pax on board, going to Sharm el Sheick, charter flight! No casualties. It was fog. Aircraft type 737-300. There was a maintanance car left on the runway.

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Old 30th Dec 2007, 10:48
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http://www.realitatea.net/129176_BRE...i-Coanda-.html

Here is the news (in romanian) and a photo of the airplane. There was an evacuation after the ac stopped off the runway.
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Old 30th Dec 2007, 11:27
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Now that really is scarey. How on earth could a car be left on the runway? Don't the count them out and back in - like instruments used in surgery? Imaging taking off in 125/125/125.... and suddenly there is a car! Imagine if it had been at rotation

Presumably no surface movement radar at OTP otherwise it would have been picked up.

Fly safe everyone,

Happy New Year,

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Old 30th Dec 2007, 11:38
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Imagine it was on landing.
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Some video here coming from TV

http://www.crash-aerien.com/forum/vi...?p=27397#27397
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A4: I like your optimism: "no surface radar at OTP otherwise it would have been picked up". We have just recently had installed at the major international airport where I am a tower controller, current generation ground radar, and I can assure you it doesn't always "pick up" vehicles. I'm afraid that runway integrity still very much relies on: a/ the aerodrome (local) controller not forgeting what he/she has cleared on to or off the runway; b/ other tower controllers (eg the Ground controller) not clearing other moving objects on to an active runway without clearance from (a); c/ the crew at the front of the aircraft that is about to use the runway, seeing, or having a fair idea what is on/recently off the runway, d/ operators of ground vehicles, tugs etc to be sufficiently trained and aware of how important runway sterilization is, and finally e/ crews of taxiing aircraft not to do silly things like crossing a runway holding point during a period of runway activity. Of course option (c/) has it's drawbacks during periods of poor visibility, and at night when the view from the cockpit (especially after recent rain) can just be a mass of reflected lights. Any of the events listed above can have an ugly outcome if allowed to slip through, unfortunately ground radar is really just an aid, helpful at times and sometimes pretty useless.
Just my thoughts
Happy New Year to you anyway.

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Muppets !!
Hope whoever was responsible got fired !
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Old 30th Dec 2007, 14:39
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That is extraordinary footage.

Darn. Could someone roughly translate what the airport official is saying at the end of the video? He seems to be making some official statement.

My Romanian does not go any further than "good day"

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@fox niner

According to a friend of mine who is Romanian the airport official says nothing important. Business as usual

- we have to wait for more details
- no fire
- wait for the outcome a few days

and so on....
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F^%$#ing unbelievable. How much traffic do they have on that airport? They should stop party two weeks for New Year Day. That is just one day deal only. What would they do if they had FRA/ORD/NYC etc traffic?
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Gentlemen, before you start making stupid wild comments, may I suggest you find out the facts?
Remember this is supposed to be a "professional pilots" network, not for drivel by three year olds. (rant over)
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Old 30th Dec 2007, 15:29
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Muppets !!
Hope whoever was responsible got fired !
Hey Alt, good safety management approach! I'm more interested in how the airport procedures allowed it to happen - so that they can be fixed. Or what checks were made that the procedures were followed.

But I guess there's no need for that - if they fire the 'person responsible', then there's no way it can happen again.....
 
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If you look at the video, just before impact you can see the plane rotate up a bit or turn right.

Looks like the former but probably the latter.

Great stuff that no fire occurred
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Hi, Two One Four. I believe the pilot in question is the great Bob Hoover.
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Few years ago I landed in Bucharest Otopeni, (as a pax)
and the first thing the struck me, were the dogs,
many of them, strolling around the runway and taxiways.

I was more than happy to leave next day without incident.

I went there two more times, a year later, nothing changed...

I am not surprised with this accident.
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This technology will help......

http://www.sensis.com/docs/533/
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I recall a story about some ground technician who badly screwed up the fuelling of an aircraft, so much so that it struggled to return safely to the airfield.

Upon landing the pilot went up to the quaking technician, who by now was expecting a b0ll0cking and the sack, and insisted he come back to fuel the aircraft the next day - on the grounds that he was probably the only guy who wouldn't make the same mistake again.
Hi, Two One Four. I believe the pilot in question is the great Bob Hoover.
It was indeed the great Bob Hoover. His piston powered Shrike Commander was fueled with jet fuel after an airshow at Brown Field in San Diego in 1989. Bob didn't quite make it back to the field, he crash landed on the side of a ravine with no injuries to himself or two pax. He found the lineboy (now called a fuel maintenance technician) and had him fuel the P-51 for the last two days of the show.
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The pax video is both fascinating and shocking to watch. It appears to start just as the t/o roll begins and the impact is 27 seconds later, so the a/c must have been almost at rotation - hence the power of the impact. It is remarkable that there was no fire.

The pax holding the video camera must have been badly bruised as he appeared to be sitting forward and turned through 90 degrees to see out of the window. As he landed up on the floor, it's possible that he did not have his seat belt fully fastened, so that he could sit further forward. A very good lesson there for pax who don't listen to the safety briefing.
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As a former works safety officer at Sydney airport, I;m curious about a few things.

Why was a vehicle left unattended on the runway.

If it was where they were doing the works on the runway, who (from the airport) was in charge of the worksite.

Prior to the runway being handed back, why was no runway inspection done.

The mind just boggles as to how this situation developed.
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AltFlaps,

Muppets !! Hope whoever was responsible got fired !
For the fog? OK then, here goes:

Dear God,

you're fired!

Or did you mean the car driver?

As it says in a good book somewhere "Let the first person who hasn't had a parking ticket, cast the first stone!" Suggest a bit of humility before condemning someone.

Here Endeth the Lesson in Navel Gazing!

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