mytravel pilot loses appeal

[pilotbear]

How many of the loud mouthed smart arses on here have NEVER broken or bent an SOP or company rule??

[virga67]

Ladies and Gents,

I'm so glad not everybody in the world is British or American. Why should the cockpit door be closed on a private charter??? And why should someone be fired over letting a passenger on the flight deck? I'm just lucky to work in a country for an airline where common sense still prevails, and the captain still is the pilot in COMMAND.

[perkin]

But surely, when this individual signed his contract of employment, he committed himself to operating that aircraft within the operating procedures of the CAA and the company with whom he worked. Most companies offer you a charge of gross misconduct and often termination if you break their codes of conduct and/or rules and regs. Any other industry sector would discipline him, so why should the airline be getting stick for this?!

Fair call by MYT if you ask me. As SLF I don't want a 'maverick' who disobeys SOPs in charge of my next flight. Individuals have no place in a team environment.

[RoyHudd]

Crass!

How stupid, perkin. Teams are made up of individuals.

And successful teams are led by strong individuals. Sometimes called Captain.

Enough rubbish has already written here by fools who consider obedience to SOP's, regulations, contracts etc is an absolute. Human beings should not be totally obedient and are generally not. Thank God.

Absolute adherence to rules/authority brings about events like pre-WW2 Germany, or Cambodian killing fields. Or Maoist China with its "cultural revolution". Or Stalinist USSR.

Back to the subject at hand.

Pablo did nothing in the slightest bit dangerous. His deviation from rules was acceptable. IMHO

[763 jock]

His continued deviation from rules wasn't though. Pablo knew the rules, chose to break one (again) and was fired. Had it been a first or second offence he would probably have got away with a bollocking.

As it was, he was already drinking in The Last Chance Saloon before this stunt. A man's got to know his limitations.

[Flap 80]

Roy Hudd The most dangerous thing Pablo did on that flight was to hazard his employment security and the financial security of his family sould he have one.
No one is doubting that on the flight in question, a footie player would be a miniscule risk on a private charter. However having bent the rules on that occasion,no doubt Pablo would do it on normal charters.
I would feel most uncomfortable if I were a passenger, especially in the company of my family, seeing a person in civilian clothes enter the flightdeck not knowing whether that individual was a friend of the Captain or someone more sinister.
Those pax on a charter flight look forward to a holiday and they do not want any reminders of 9/11.
The issue at stake here is nothing to do with the events on the football flight but a maverick ex A320 pilot who feels that on the back of his Tornado exploits he is somehow above the law of common sense and reasonable SOPs and CAA guidelines .

[John Boeman]

I agree with you 100% Roy H. I am one of the many who go along with all the current rules despite genuinely believing that the lunatics are running the asylum and the terrorists have won the battle, on a scale they could not have imagined in their wildest dreams.
The "infidels" (us) are tying themselves in knots and are screwing their lives up in a fashion, and at a financial cost, that must be unparalleled outside of a world war.
We who sit back and go along with the rules "for a quiet life" should grateful that there are people that take a stand against security rules, which border on lunacy and are patently idiotic.

[John Boeman]

No one is doubting that on the flight in question, a footie player would be a miniscule risk on a private charter. However having bent the rules on that occasion,no doubt Pablo would do it on normal charters.

Flap 80, you really have overstepped the mark there.

[Basil]

How many of the loud mouthed smart arses on here have NEVER broken or bent an SOP or company rule??

Most of us probably have but, in recent years, in the majors for whom I worked, it is fairly rare. This was not just an SOP or company rule; it was the law. Before anyone asks, yes, Basil may have, in the past, done naughty things in aeroplanes but I either didn't get caught or else grovelled convincingly and was let off.

Why should the cockpit door be closed on a private charter???

Because it is still a public transport flight.
Do not confuse 'private charter' with 'private aircraft' which may be flown by a PPL (suitably licensed and rated).

[beardy]

Roy,

you wrote

Enough rubbish has already written here by fools who consider obedience to SOP's, regulations, contracts etc is an absolute.

I agree with you. There are times when fools make a dangerous situation more hazardous by adherence to rules and SOPs that did not cater for the situation they were facing. I don't think that these circumstances fit that category. The rules appear to have been willingly broken, not bent. I agree that this rule is inappropriate for these circumstances, but cannot see how breaking it in these circumstances achieved anything other than unwitting martyrdom and, if he didn't see that coming, one has to suspect his judgement of priorities.

[perkin]

How stupid, perkin. Teams are made up of individuals.
And successful teams are led by strong individuals. Called Captain, generally.

Petty insults just serve to demonstrate who the intellectually challenged are Roy Hudd...

I lead a team and I'm certainly not called Captain, nor would I want to be, especially if that title over-inflates my ego. I lead a successful team, and I am a headstrong individual with a high level of technical competence, yet I know where the limit is with my employer, clients and colleagues and do not cross it as I know what it will result in, even if I know some rules and limits are thoroughly ridiculous. It seems this guy pushed his luck once too often and paid the price. Its a tough world out there sometimes, but sh!t happens. He should be man enough to admit to making a mistake and just shut up and get on with his life/career!

[tonker]

Does anyone else not see the irony of being sacked by management who constantly steer companies in a rudderless manner until their near demise, only to be "moved on" and given a huge golden handshake for loosing the company millions, and pissing off the workforce and staff.


What he did was wrong from the CAA's and his companies point of view, but compared to some of the cataclysmic management decisions i see being made, from a business point of view it was at most a minor mistake. Lucky for them he wasn't French, i'd be the first to put up a protestor.

[beardy]

Tonker,

MYT airline management, much to the disappointment of many, have not been 'pensioned off.' They have been appointed to lead the 'new' Thomas Cook. Nor are they rudderless, they ruthlessly pursue their own (in my opinion) misguided course dragging the rest of us where we don't want to go. I would love the light relief of irony!

[fireflybob]

I just wondered whether Pablo has any further right of appeal? You know Human Court of Civil Rights in Belgium. Perhaps the overriding authority of the Commander has yet to be "tested" in these circumstances?

[Flap 80]

Perkin...well said
John Boeman...overstepped the mark?, I dont think so.
What part of common sense dont you understand.
tell us you are not 1/ A flight simmer
2/ex fast jet
or 3/ Pablo himself

The post from a non aviator ( Perkin) supports my point pretty well.
ATB

[scruggs]

fireflybob,

There was a short report on Pablo on the BBC West Midlands news yesterday evening. I didn't catch it all, but they did state Pablo was going to appeal again (I didn't catch who they said he was taking to appeal to).

Good luck to him I say.

S

[John Boeman]

NO DOUBT Pablo would do it on normal charters

Flap 80, you really cannot spot the part of that statement that is overstepping the mark? (I've made it easier for you this time.)

[OPS1978]

Pablo was a true legend to all of us at bhx on the ground and will be sadly missed good luck mate if you read this we will all miss you. It was allright for mytravel to use for there own publicity ie the last ever mytravelite flight from bhx and guess the capt was? Yes you need to ask "PABLO". He has been treated terrible in all this.

[rsuggitt]

Not a direct reply to you.. and I dont know if this event was made public... but I cant help thinking that if the public learned that the man with most responsibility for the safety of the flight was breaking anti-terrorism rules.... confidence would go down the pan. It would go further down the pan if the public learned that other pilots thought that breaking the anti-terrorism rules should be forgiven..

[John Boeman]

It would go further down the pan if the public learned that other pilots thought that breaking the anti-terrorism rules should be forgiven..

Probably not as fast as it would go down the pan if the public were made fully aware of what the vast majority of professional pilots think of the said anti-terrorism rules.