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SAS Q400 gear collaps CPH 27/10

Old 27th Oct 2007, 17:04
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SAS Q400 gear collaps CPH 27/10

Sadly it happened again. 16:53 LT a SAS Q400 had gear collaps on right main gear at CPH.
SK2867 coming from Bergen.
3rd time with right MG collaps on Q400 in SAS in very short ime.
No fire reported. AC landed on foam, according to press right now.
No fatalities.
One RWY closed in CPH.
Edit: Video footage now of landing. R/H MG did not appear to be down at all, or possibly only partially extended. R/H prop feathered.
Politicians out now saying that Q400 must be suspended permanently. (Election going on now....)
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 17:13
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pic in this danish article

http://politiken.dk/indland/article407463.ece

Can this be the same fault as before ? I thought it was rectified.

oh dear...
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 17:22
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as a result are all SAS Dash 8 Q400 grounded by the scandinavian CAA's immediately according to the danish newspaper JP http://jp.dk/indland/article1145796.ece (danish).

René
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 18:06
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Scratching of head. 3 times with same operator in relatively short period of time, and despite recent inspection (and mod?). Odd to say the least.
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 18:19
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SAS press release:
2007-10-27
Regarding Scandinavian Airlines flight SK 2867
Scandinavian Airlines regrets to confirm that one of its aircraft, a Dash 8- 400 with registration number LN-RDI and flight number SK 2867 from Bergen to Copenhagen was involved in an accident at Copenhagen airport , at 16.55 hrs local time today.
We can confirm that there were 38 passengers and 2 infants and 4 crew members onboard.
Prior to the accident problems with the main landing gear was reported.
All Dash 8-400 aircraft within the SAS Group will be grounded until further notice.
SAS is doing everything possible to assist all passengers.
SAS will provide further information as soon as it becomes available, see
www.flysas.com The media information center can be contacted at the following number:
+46 8 797 29 44
SAS Group Corporate Communications
http://www.sas.dk/templates/Flexible...epslanguage=EN
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 18:31
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I agree..

One can only totally agree with Avman. Has it ever happened before that three almost identical SERIOUS incidents/accidents in such a short time plague the same carrier?
My SAS stocks keep falling and falling I'm starting to loose my belief in this company. Something drastic needs to be done or soon I won't even be able to give them away. Most other carriers post record profits, which could have been the case of SAS as well, if it wasn't for the DASH disaster. This combined with their strikes of course.
Does anyone know if this plane was also based in CPH? Without pointing fingers one must start to wonder about what is going on in CPH.
Thank god for the solid gear of the DASH-6 I currently fart around in. Three down and welded .. Maybe Bombardier should consider going back to this fool proof construction.
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 18:38
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Maybe Bombardier should consider go back to this fool proof construction.
Well the Q400 sure has the performance to deal with the extra drag
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 18:44
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At TV, it looked like the right main gear was not anywhere near down this time.
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 18:44
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No gear..

Looking at the video posted in the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet, at www.aftonbladet.se, it doesn't appear as the gear was even out of the well at all. Sorry for not being able to psot the link for the video. Maybe someone else can help .
Once again a good job done by the crew. Quick emergency evac to say the least.

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Old 27th Oct 2007, 18:48
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Video link from the above news link...

http://politiken.dk/poltv/?ExtID=2425

The landing looked pretty sweet this time. Did they shut down / reduce power on the no.2 engine on short final?
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 18:50
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"Did they shut down / reduce power on the no.2 engine on short final?"

It sure looks so to me..Prop at least in feather on short final..
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 18:55
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congrats to the crew and capt. the landing was text book and the punters got out in jig time. well done. I am afraid that the Q400 is doomed....what a piece of sh"t.
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 19:03
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Doomed?

There are a lot of Q400s flying in the US and other countries without any gear failures. It seems that only SAS is having all of the failures.

Could the problem be in maintenance procedures and not design flaws?
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 19:04
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Bearcat - I have to disagree with you - the Q400 is not shit

There are loads operated in the world in Europe and USA - how many have had this....3 all with SAS!?

Rather than direct all the problems to the D4 why not focus on SAS.......all airlines were required to ground a/c with more than 10000 cycles and all were/are fine so why SAS????
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 19:13
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SAS has all the old -400's they will therefore find all the problems and honestly the -400 is a lemon. Beancounters loves it because it sips fuel. Pilots hate it because its unforgiving and just keeps comming up with new problems. Heard a pilot say that he loved the simulater checks because there he had an idea of what would happen, in the air the plane would come up with something new all the time.

Oh and this being election-time in Denmark the politicians are jumping at this one, one them has been out saying that he want's the -400's type license in europe cancelled.
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 19:29
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Well I flew it for 2 years and loved it, had a few minor snags but no more than I get flying an airbus now.
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 19:32
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Not quite fair to say SAS have all the problems - the Q400s in Japan have had incidents too. They are still selling (unidentified order of 10 this week) but Goodrich better figure out what's going on soon or Bombardier's bill from SAS for 70 million or so will be small potatoes.
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 20:43
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Not quite fair to say SAS have all the problems - the Q400s in Japan have had incidents too.
To my knowledge only one, but I may be wrong.

The thing is that there are quite a few operators with fairly large Q400 fleets who don't seem to experience any major problems, only the usual sort of snags which would be experienced with any type.
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 22:36
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SAS have all the early airframes - only a matter of time until other operators start having problems as well.

Lightweight and fragile...
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Old 27th Oct 2007, 22:49
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Tyrolean also operate most of the earlier -400s. but haven't had any of those problems with the gear so far...

Maybe it's got something to do with the cold, salty air SAS aircraft are parked in most the time
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