Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Rumours & News
Reload this Page >

Another A320 lands with cocked nose-gear

Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

Another A320 lands with cocked nose-gear

Old 24th Oct 2007, 17:09
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Upper Marlboro, Maryland
Age: 63
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Another A320 lands with cocked nose-gear

Airbus should maybe come with a spherical nose-wheel design - would prevent more of these embarrassing cocked-wheel landinds. The latest happened in Fargo, North Dakota on Saturday night, according to Flight International's website.
APC77Z is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2007, 19:04
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Dubai - sand land.
Age: 55
Posts: 2,831
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Better a "cock-wheeled" landing than a rudder hard-over wouldn't you say
White Knight is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2007, 19:10
  #3 (permalink)  

Dog Tired
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: uk
Posts: 1,688
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
WK

You beat me to it...
fantom is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2007, 19:17
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: washington,dc
Posts: 486
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It would be better to have neither problem. There are such planes, when well maintained.
bomarc is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2007, 21:03
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 361
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Exactly my thought too

That's two incidents as opposed to accidents resulting in no injuries out of how many hundreds of thousands of A320series flights over 20+years ?!?!?
Anti-ice is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2007, 21:37
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: On the M25 mainly
Posts: 120
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It'd be interesting to see if it was the same set of circumstances as the Jet Blue incident and if so, was the OEB fix tried to centre the nosewheels (Nosewheel steering OFF/ON, but only given 2 specific ECAM warnings)?
The Scarlet Pimpernel is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2007, 21:37
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: flyover country USA
Age: 82
Posts: 4,579
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Twice at JetBlue, several more at other carriers. See http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=191037 and go to post #18.
barit1 is offline  
Old 1st Nov 2007, 16:13
  #8 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Upper Marlboro, Maryland
Age: 63
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
A320 - Northwest should have known...

Question for any A320 pilots out there --

If you receive a BSCU Channel 2 failure shortly after takeoff, then later receive a Landing Gear Shock Absorber fault when dropping the gear, what does the manual tell you to do? What does common sense tell you to do? NW decided to land as normal and not prepare the cabin for very short landing run (nor tell the pax that something was amiss). Info obtained directly from the NTSB investigator working the case....
APC77Z is offline  
Old 1st Nov 2007, 16:43
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: エリア88
Posts: 1,031
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
1 post in, and it develops into Airbus V's Boeing debate!!! Surely a new PPRuNe record!


Must say though, Airbus gear is tough maybe they should be advising Bombardier!
Mercenary Pilot is offline  
Old 1st Nov 2007, 18:23
  #10 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Upper Marlboro, Maryland
Age: 63
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
NW A320 picture

Flight International has a picture of NW1432 cocked nose-wheel

"Passengers aboard a Northwest Airbus A320 that ground to a halt on the runway in Fargo, North Dakota on the night of 20 October, after a nosewheel malfunction, were not warned about a possible abnormal landing despite the crew’s efforts to troubleshoot the problem while circling the airport before attempting to land...."
APC77Z is offline  
Old 1st Nov 2007, 19:43
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: England
Posts: 1,389
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Nice pax debrief anyway...

"He later walked down the aisle checking the condition of each passenger, before all were deplaned down portable steps, filing into a waiting line of taxi vans. Each was given vouchers for a free round trip flight, according to the passenger."
cwatters is offline  
Old 1st Nov 2007, 20:56
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Canada
Age: 50
Posts: 57
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
How can you possibly make a landing as a PIC knowing your landing gear has a malfunction and not notifying the passengers???
Beaver diver is offline  
Old 1st Nov 2007, 21:55
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 312
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
This was a known problem on the F86 Sabre, where upon retraction the nose wheel would rotate through 90 degree and was stowed flat.

Sometimes it would remain cocked on extension, and we would lay a narrow path of foam on the strip for the nose wheel to float on. Always appeared to work OK.

However in this case it appears as if on extension the wheel cocked itself, would have been quite a noise when the gear contacted.

Regards

Col
herkman is offline  
Old 2nd Nov 2007, 01:29
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Citizen of the World
Posts: 174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
In fact there have been over 20 instances of such 90 degree rotation of the nosewheel on A320 aircraft over the years. It seems that there are many reasons why these occurred. Perhaps a re-design might be in order. This is not anti-Airbus or pro-Boeing - just has happened too often IMHO.
SIDSTAR is offline  
Old 2nd Nov 2007, 01:34
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: ZSPD
Age: 56
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
No Visual

Miss the old airplanes that had peepholes to visually check the landing gear positions. Bd, sometimes it's better to keep silent on "possible" malfunctions rather than cause unnecessary anxiety for the SLF.
eight16kreug is offline  
Old 2nd Nov 2007, 03:05
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Canberra
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
That's not an A320 wheel

The wheel in the picture (post #9) that is centred in the inset blowup belongs to the base of the thing in the foreground (some kind of platform?/whatever), not to the A320. How odd (perhaps not?) for an aviation journal to misunderstand perspective.
AnotherRedWineThanks is offline  
Old 2nd Nov 2007, 04:39
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: With all the other nuts
Posts: 224
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Good spot ARWT. I was wondering how the tyre survived the landing

Chips
Chippie Chappie is offline  
Old 2nd Nov 2007, 04:55
  #18 (permalink)  
PPRuNe supporter
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 1,677
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yes I believe you are absolutely correct, what a sad excuse for a picture!
Dream Land is offline  
Old 2nd Nov 2007, 06:09
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Delhi
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
wonder why have these not occurred in India or am i just out of info? pls oblige if u guys have info on similiar incidents in India/Asia?
teghjeet is offline  
Old 2nd Nov 2007, 20:04
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Long ago and far away ......
Posts: 1,398
Received 11 Likes on 5 Posts
wonder why have these not occurred in India
Do they fly with the wheels down all the time?
MrBernoulli is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.