Indonesia increases safety checks on European aircraft.
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Indonesia increases safety checks on European aircraft.
Unfortunately the link is to a Dutch website.
http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=22571
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JAKARTA, Aircraft from European airlines will face additional safety checks by the Indonesian aviation authorities. The Indonesian aviation authorities have made this public according to the Indonesian newspaper Kompas (thursday 11 oct)
The extra safety checks are the reaction to the increased safety checks on Indonesian aircraft by foreign aviation authorities, according to their spokesman. KLM, Lufthansa and other airlines have scheduled flights to the asian country.
Indonesian airlines were blacklisted 2 months ago by the European Union, as a result they can not operate to any European Union memberstate.
http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=22571
Translation of the article:
JAKARTA, Aircraft from European airlines will face additional safety checks by the Indonesian aviation authorities. The Indonesian aviation authorities have made this public according to the Indonesian newspaper Kompas (thursday 11 oct)
The extra safety checks are the reaction to the increased safety checks on Indonesian aircraft by foreign aviation authorities, according to their spokesman. KLM, Lufthansa and other airlines have scheduled flights to the asian country.
Indonesian airlines were blacklisted 2 months ago by the European Union, as a result they can not operate to any European Union memberstate.
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Well, just to be bit contrary to assist debate, there are around 400,000,000 Indonesians last time I looked. How many Europeans? How many aircraft per capita in Indonesia / Europe. It has become fashionable to knock Indonesian aviation suggesting nepotism, corruption and neglect, and I have personally gone along with that thinking until recently when I wondered just how many cycles per accident there might be in each region. So is the new Europe immune from nepotism, corruption and neglect, or is there some other ingredient which is truly queering the Far East patch?
I have also been struck by the fact that Asian airlines have been criticised for massive expansion necessitating the employ of very young aircrew for example, but I also note that NASA employs young Indians and Chinese because they are simply much cleverer than some of the western product i.e. they understand systems intimately.
Maybe that also leaves the question "Are the Indonesians clever enough in the grand scheme of things?"
I have also been struck by the fact that Asian airlines have been criticised for massive expansion necessitating the employ of very young aircrew for example, but I also note that NASA employs young Indians and Chinese because they are simply much cleverer than some of the western product i.e. they understand systems intimately.
Maybe that also leaves the question "Are the Indonesians clever enough in the grand scheme of things?"
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Hahahaha, I can not believe this. The Indonesians have the balls to actually check on EU airplanes safety???
Maybe they should spend some more of their own revenue towards their own s**t happening down south and maybe take a close look at their own domestic operators (Lion air etc..) and maybe, just maybe try to calculate upon their highest enlightment, how many of their domestic airplanes have crashed in the last 10 years there due to their "maintenance" or "related issues" problem??? Not mentioning the corruption and all the related issues with the safety and non compliance with the rules and the "classic" of that Garuda Captain dying with the heart attack on the final approach. Guess what? He paid off the doctor to give him a valid Class 1 medical even though the doctor was aware of his problems.
Anyways, I think this is a farce...
Looking at the front of your porch first and then at your neighbours, will help you get the realistic picture.
Maybe they should spend some more of their own revenue towards their own s**t happening down south and maybe take a close look at their own domestic operators (Lion air etc..) and maybe, just maybe try to calculate upon their highest enlightment, how many of their domestic airplanes have crashed in the last 10 years there due to their "maintenance" or "related issues" problem??? Not mentioning the corruption and all the related issues with the safety and non compliance with the rules and the "classic" of that Garuda Captain dying with the heart attack on the final approach. Guess what? He paid off the doctor to give him a valid Class 1 medical even though the doctor was aware of his problems.
Anyways, I think this is a farce...
Looking at the front of your porch first and then at your neighbours, will help you get the realistic picture.
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Only 235 million Indonesians? Well thats a relief. I was obviously labouring under several misapprehensions including what I'd previously thought was a population-explosion-driven-aviation-needs-must thing occurring down there 
I guess I now stand corrected and better informed.
Is there no semblance of a contrary argument then? Or is it all bad news ?
I guess I now stand corrected and better informed.
Is there no semblance of a contrary argument then? Or is it all bad news ?
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Strangely enough, Saudi Arabia conducted an audit of Garuda following the European ban, they approved the airline to continue operations into Saudi. So does this mean that the Saudis have an hidden agenda or the European blanket ban is excessive?
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Strangely enough, Saudi Arabia conducted an audit of Garuda following the European ban, they approved the airline to continue operations into Saudi. So does this mean that the Saudis have an hidden agenda or the European blanket ban is excessive?
Australia, South Korea and Japan too!
The difference was, no one here took notice of the FAA cat 2, then the EU decided to inquire the DGAC on the measures, and got no reply hence the ban... After the DGAC finally realized it was the lack of reply that caused the ban being enforced, well, they got no choice but to answer everyone else's inquiries... The Saudi one was the last one actually.
If Saudi did end up banning us, that'll be a total joke! LOL
Guess what? He paid off the doctor to give him a valid Class 1 medical even though the doctor was aware of his problems.
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Saudi Arabia will approve any carrier....provided it brings them money in the form of pilgrims during their Hajj period...for proof, witness the amazing selection of vintage jets (IL-62's, L1011's, DC 8's on the pan at the Hajj terminal each year, many of which are registered in some highly un-regulated countries...even saw some IL-18's there earlier this year, from Congo and Sudan)..Garuda are top-line in comparison, believe me.
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Nothing to do with the fact that come Haj time there are any number of sub contracts handed out by Garuda that Saudia want to get in on.
Which in turn is nothing to do with the hassle every sub contractor and their staff endure whilst operating on said sub contracts when in the Saudi jurisdiction.
Which in turn is nothing to do with the hassle every sub contractor and their staff endure whilst operating on said sub contracts when in the Saudi jurisdiction.
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People,
Could I caution against the notion that European carriers are above falling short in the safety stakes? I have surveyed aircraft, quality and maintenance systems in several parts of the world; not all Third World countries have "Third World" standards.
Could I caution against the notion that European carriers are above falling short in the safety stakes? I have surveyed aircraft, quality and maintenance systems in several parts of the world; not all Third World countries have "Third World" standards.
Most nations always try to put the spotlight on anything foreign, in order to shift attention away from internal problems.
That is the oldest trick in the book for politicians-distract your citizens.
Brazil tried this after the aircraft collision over the remote jungle.
That is the oldest trick in the book for politicians-distract your citizens.
Brazil tried this after the aircraft collision over the remote jungle.
