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Pilots work just as hard when you cut their wages

Old 14th Aug 2007, 17:00
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Pilots work just as hard when you cut their wages

Coming up in the Journal of Labor Economics in October. Conclusions on page 27 if you're working too hard to read the rest.
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Old 14th Aug 2007, 18:35
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Angry Not So!

Incorrect. Read the conclusion in the abstract, which says that there is limited evidence to prove that pilots work less hard with a pay cut.
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Old 14th Aug 2007, 19:10
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I'd say that like many professionals, pilots take pride in their work and turning in a good job and will put up with a lot of sht up to a point before looking for an alternative. So yes, in the short term they'll carry on working hard for less money, but will probably move to something better at the earliest opportunity. We all have our breaking point.

In most industries it's the best ones that go first, as well.
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Old 14th Aug 2007, 19:54
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Out in the expat world the Ozmates always used to complain "Give a Brit a uniform and he'll work for nothing".

Of course, the Brits confided "Hire two Australians and they'll form a labour union".
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Old 15th Aug 2007, 04:29
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My take is that like all employment, it's about market forces. The article seems to suggest that pilots are well paid and should be grateful for their lot - and have been in the past. it mentions the post 9/11 perid where the jobs were fewer and pilots in a job had something to be grateful for. However, we are currently in a period of transition where airlines are ordering more aircraft, the public want to fly in them - but where are all the pilots to fly them? Training halved after 9/11 (more in some markets - the one I'm familiar with decreased by 75% and some markets stopped altogether) and five years after when those pilots should be coming on line to fly the bigger jets, they just aren't there.

My company is experiencing this. We are losing pilots to other operators, we are finding it hard to recruit and we are having more aircraft delivered. We are in a period of pay increase neotiation (our first payrise for 7 years) but the company have offered us a deal where if we worked the same hours as we do now we get a payrise. But the productivity side of the deal allows the company to work us more and the net result will be work more for less money.

The article's theory is about to be put to the test in my company's case. I think I know what the outcome will be!
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Old 15th Aug 2007, 04:46
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I used to say this for expat pilot job, but after all, it is valid for all pilot jobs, national and expats:
When you join the job, they give you two buckets that you will carry at the tip of a yoke on your shoulder, like those Chinese coolies or Dutch milk women; one bucket is for the money you're gonna make, the other bucket for the sh**t you're gonna take. First bucket that's full, you quit!
Hence an expression that has become of common use in my family, when I am on the "moody" side: "Are they filling your bucket again?"
PS: Those buckets come in many different sizes!
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Old 15th Aug 2007, 04:55
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Pilot salaries rival those of physicians, lawyers and other high-paying professions, yet pilots work substantially fewer hours than most other highly paid professionals.
This economist is clearly going to be the pilots' favourite now...
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Well, knowing how hard some surgeons in the US work, he might not have an invalid claim. Now... You can't really compare apples and pears.
My neighbor works less for more money. Should I now get a pay rise, he a pay cut or shall we leave everyone happy and don't touch it?
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Come on Re-Heat, this Economist is right! We Aviators are the highest rewarded class of lazy blue collar workers in the modern society.
First we workers wear a white silk-cotton shirt to go to work as physicians wear an ugly green starched overall, and lawyers a black robe like sissies.
To get access to the "profession", there is no "numerus clausus" at flying schools, and the studying for it is only a couple of years of fooling around with buzzing toys. The job consists of just sitting for some hours in front of a few TV screens showing motionless pictures, in an air-conditioned environemnt, served with exclusive luxury food and spending most of our "Earth touching" life in six stars hotels, cuddled by tall blond sexy stewardesses dedicated to our well-being.
For this we are paid more money than we can spend, and our good fortune is that we all have a wife AND a mistress (or two?) to help spending it.
Physicians have to spend a minimum of seven years of hard studying to end up introspecting rear ends for prostate problems and work endless ours standing in front of puss stinking bodies. Lawyers haven't got to deal with the smells perhaps, but then they have to deal with moody judges and whining, lying and broke potential convicts. Both professions being paid just enough to survive without resorting to food tickets.
Oh boy, do I love people with prejudiced ideas!
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The average Gp is on about 100k a year according to the Times recently.
I dont earn anywhere near that much.
Unfortunately people like Mr O leary have degraded our profession beyond belief.
The only way to beat the system is to go either expat or get a VVIP job.
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Old 15th Aug 2007, 16:47
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Don't know about you folks, but I really work harder when my salary is cut. Let me give you a few examples:
I don't ask for visual approaches - I have to do the full approach.
ATC wants me to hold - bad form to try to get away from it by requesting a visual.
I revert to just doing my job - if someone else screws up and it doesn't affect safety, well, let them clear up the mess they made.
Duty/Rest times strictly adhered to - NO extensions/reductions.
Paperwork corrections - if I'm not the "author" I don't do corrections, I just return it for correction.
My job gets real hard - and I'm doing it for less pay.
It doesn't take long for the message to get home. And, IMHO, it's the only way to send the message. Remember what our elders used to say in the good old days, just before the belt was brought out "If you can't hear you must feel"
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Old 19th Aug 2007, 18:01
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^^^^Hook, line & sinker^^^^

There's always one who will fail to see the irony or cynicism in a post like Lemper's!
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Old 19th Aug 2007, 18:51
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Q. How do you insure a long-term lack of supply of new pilots (or engineers, or any professional...)

A. Keep reducing the job security, wages, working conditions, etc. and keep chipping away at their perks.

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