Terror incident at Glasgow Airport

[MarcJF]

As inconvienent as it may seem, the security services really have no other option than to check everything. If I was sat on one of those departing jets with my kids, I'd be frustrated and no doubt more than a little annoyed. But would hope I'd understand the need to validate everthing. Don't forget that in London, crowds fleeing from Tiger Tiger would have walked straight into the path or another bomb, had a traffic warden not booked the vehicle.

[christep]

But surely all the people arriving at Glasgow have cleared security at their departing airport? Are we saying that we don't trust that security? If so then logically we have to just stop air travel into the UK entirely.

[ground_star]

What I find quite funny is something happens in Scotland & Immediately the traffic at LHR is chaos! More than normal



Pax walking along the M4...brill!

Welcome to "Great" Britain folks!

[mathers_wales_uk]

Threat Rate is Now 'CRITICAL' our highest threat rate.

Reason traffic is bad around airports is that all access roads to front of airport terminals have been closed untill further notice.

Depending on how big the terminals are is to how large congestion would be in the area. Are those photo's on the M4 due to an accident or simply cause of restrictions to cars at Heathrow?

[ManofMan]

Understand that Liverpool has been closed now, aircraft currently in the hold pending further information.

[Three Yellows]

BBC News say that Merseyside Police have said that Liverpool Airport closed "until further notice"

[ManofMan]

Liverpool will remain closed until at least midnight due to a specific security threat.

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REGULATION EGGPA30
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TIME WEF 1925 UTC UNTIL 2359 UTC
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REMARKS : DUE TO SECURITY ISSUE EGGP CLOSED TILL 0000 UTC.
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FMD OPSD BRUSSELS

[slip and turn]

Do passengers still need to be detained in planes going nowhere at 2130?? Six and a quarter hours since the incident.

[ManofMan]

Do passengers still need to be detained in planes going nowhere at 2130?? Six and a quarter hours since the incident.

Nah get em all off, pile them into the terminal and hope that a secondary device does not goes off.

[Hotel Tango]

No need to use the terminal. Bus them out, under police escort if need be, to a secure area outside the airport, and then process them as required. Keeping them 6 hours or longer sitting on the ramp is just scandalous and demonstrates how inept the authorities really are.

[christep]

Originally Posted by ManofMan

Do passengers still need to be detained in planes going nowhere at 2130?? Six and a quarter hours since the incident.
Nah get em all off, pile them into the terminal and hope that a secondary device does not goes off.

They're far more likely to die from a heart attack from the stress.

But then rational analysis of risks has never been a strong point of the UK's "security" forces in recent times.

[slip and turn]

Evacuation through the terminal is surely only one limited option.

These people are not a threat to others or they would not have made it through security onto their planes. They require no further security clearance. They can be reunited with bags another day.

Evacuation by buses via other routes e.g. via perimeter emergency access points must surely make sense by now.

If there is any doubt, they can be profiled by the army or some such on their way out.

[speeddial]

Police press conference has just happened:

Incident is considered a terrorist act and has similarities to the incidents in London. One member of the public injured in the leg. The one suspect taken to hospital was found to have a suspicious device about his person, requiring evacuation.

The jeep contained flammable materials, which have still yet to stabilise enough for forensic investigations to begin.

[Dysonsphere]

Just seen more vidoe that was some fire even the foam layer was having problems. Latest news seems to be the airport will be closed for a few days.

[cwatters]

I expect they will find another door somewhere they can open.

[GLAMM]

Yeah, think the airport will be closed for a lot of tomorrow anyway. The jeep will need investigating then removed. The building entrance and ticket desks just inside the door are prob damaged and will need securing and heard there that the sprinklers could have been on for a few hours so check in equipment and stock etc could be damaged. Plus I know staff who have been in since six this morning are still in the airport and are expected to have to follow the passengers to the SECC for the screening process. Some of these staff will be due back on shift tomorrow so they'll be looking for a decent nights sleep after what will have been an extremely long day. Staff shortages likely for most airlines I guess

[PPRuNe Radar]

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[speedrestriction]

Pretty serious knock on effect in EDI with diverted flights. Airport road at a standstill. No public vehicle access within about 1/4 mile of the terminal building. Police doing a good job under difficult circumstances.

[RMC]

Any fool can criticse and most fools do. The unconscious incompetent don't realise how little they know.

We all know it is frustrating if you are kept on board an aircraft etc but if there is any doubt there is no doubt. People will have to endure some inconvenience until our uniformed services do everything they think they need to do.

A serious crime scene needs to be preserved and if there is a 1 in 1,000 chance ( rather more than you having a V1 cut ) of getting a key bit of forensic/information or protecting people from a secondary explosion then closing the airport is the way its got to be.

With regard to disruption this is small beer. A bit of fog in November causes more disruption than this. The security services some are criticisng have prevented many attacks on our people over the last few years and they haven't done that by being gash but by being thorough.

Although I am one of the most highly qualified people in the UK aviation industry what that has taught me is actually how little I really know.I am a conscious incompetent but will not be rising to any bait by the people who throw all the stones.They actually don't have answers that hold water under anything other than superficial analysis. I put the last paragraph in because like all the UC/ICs we fly with they don't realise how shallow their reactionary perception is and am not interested in engaging with lost causes.

[Two's in]

Reasonable to assume after last year's "liquids" fiasco that we can expect some major disruptions at all airports while the Government comes up with the counter measure to this. Just thinking how most UK Airports will operate when vehicle access is severely curtailed and/or controlled doesn't bode well for the Industry over the next few weeks. Of course. the fact that the subsequent counter measure will be directed at the previous method of attack seems to be largely lost on the security advisors.

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