New security regs...airside driving now!
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New security regs...airside driving now!
Has any other airport had to suffer under new DfT security regulations for airside driving?
Here at Heathrow, if I go out driving on the maneuvering area and drive through certain areas, I need to drive up to a security point and submit myself to a security search, just as I do when I go airside at the start of my shift.
What's even more ridiculous; some of these security checkpoints are 'one way' only, and some of the areas they seem to be 'protecting' can be accessed by another taxiway which does not have a security check requirement. Even tugs and their crews have to stop and submit to search. Oh, apart from tugs which are towing and aircraft behind them, then they don't have to stop.
Here at Heathrow, if I go out driving on the maneuvering area and drive through certain areas, I need to drive up to a security point and submit myself to a security search, just as I do when I go airside at the start of my shift.
What's even more ridiculous; some of these security checkpoints are 'one way' only, and some of the areas they seem to be 'protecting' can be accessed by another taxiway which does not have a security check requirement. Even tugs and their crews have to stop and submit to search. Oh, apart from tugs which are towing and aircraft behind them, then they don't have to stop.
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apart from tugs which are towing and aircraft behind them, then they don't have to stop.
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More stupidity
So once checked to get into a secure area you have to be re-checcked?
If this is so it is the clearest indication that the "security industry" is inventing work for its self.
If this is so it is the clearest indication that the "security industry" is inventing work for its self.
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Mike, tell me about it. if I go out in PIXIE (ATC's airside vehicle), and drive eastbound from the 600 stands, past the Royal Suite along Sierra towards the helipad, I need to be checked.
However, if I drive eastbound from the 600 stands, and cross 27L at S5, go east along Alpha, cross 27L again at N4W, and go to the helipad, I don't get searched.
And just to clarify, this doesn't affect us ATCOs getting to and from work. It certainly affects the response times of the marshallers and leader Vehicles though.
However, if I drive eastbound from the 600 stands, and cross 27L at S5, go east along Alpha, cross 27L again at N4W, and go to the helipad, I don't get searched.
And just to clarify, this doesn't affect us ATCOs getting to and from work. It certainly affects the response times of the marshallers and leader Vehicles though.
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They have been doing just this at SOU for some time now
There is a section non RZ between stand 12 and 13
So if you fly in to SOU and park on 13 to the terminal you first go through security near the tower (and have any 'offending' water or toiletries taken off you)
then go back airside to go to crew room or terminal
Jobs for the boys
There is a section non RZ between stand 12 and 13
So if you fly in to SOU and park on 13 to the terminal you first go through security near the tower (and have any 'offending' water or toiletries taken off you)
then go back airside to go to crew room or terminalJobs for the boys
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Wouldn't the foam require liquid (water) in excess of 100ml to work?
Moral: catch fire outside a secure area or be prepared to p*ss on it from your own internal water tank
Moral: catch fire outside a secure area or be prepared to p*ss on it from your own internal water tank
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Moral: catch fire outside a secure area or be prepared to p*ss on it from your own internal water tank
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Please make sure that your car has less than 100 mls of fluid in the petrol tank! Also ensure that the coolant is less than 100 mls as well. Oops looks like you all be driving VW Beetles and 2CV's.
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Another fine post on the security madness. When will it stop, please. We all know (at least the people working on the airside on daily basis), that securing an object as big as an airport is impossible. This was the principle in the past when they did not secure the whole thing but just high profile targets like US and ELAL planes. So what makes them think that now they can secure it all?? I truly believe the security companies know that it is not helping at all to make things safer, but it does bring in a whole lot of cash, so they just keep up the show. And the refreshment shops do not complain either. At my homebase airport the price of a 50dl bottle of water has increased from 1 euro to 2,50..... normal inflation or a matter of demand vs supply?
As a pilot working on GA planes I find it particularly funny to see the holes in the system. For instance at London City we walk in and out the whole day without security. Our vip passengers are...well how shall I put it...treated on level secure light. But in the pax terminal I have to strip half naked to get through security... (to avoid the liquid problem I now just go through security at GA and then double back to the terminal on airside.
Gatwick is another one with no security whatsoever at GA where the rest of the pax are undergoing the gestapo treatment on the other side. Neither at Farnborough where pax drive their car onto the ramp. Now this is the way it should be and still is in vip operation. But poor mum going on holidays has to taste her milk before going through. And me as a pilot go 8 times a day through airport securities on my socks. The other day I went through, the thing did not beep, and they frisked me anyway. When I asked why they had the machine then in the first place the answer was: standard procedure. It's not that I have something against security, it's just that when you go through the thing 8 or 10 times a day (instead of maybe 3 times a year for avarage pax), it becomes really a horrible experience. Especially if you know that it's just there to fill there own pockets, not to improve safety on board.
To finish off my ultimate favorite: Brussels airport. My passengers show up and they have to go through security. However their luggage can go unscreened to the airplane, including three hunting riffles. They are placed in the passenger compartment, for lack of space down below, I kid you not. Now comes the best part, in the security check they insist on taking the passengers nailclippers and offcourse his bottle of water. He looks at me and I have to tell him "I am sorry sir, there is nothing I can do about that, but when you get to the airplane you can have your guns back, ok".
Security madness.......
As a pilot working on GA planes I find it particularly funny to see the holes in the system. For instance at London City we walk in and out the whole day without security. Our vip passengers are...well how shall I put it...treated on level secure light. But in the pax terminal I have to strip half naked to get through security... (to avoid the liquid problem I now just go through security at GA and then double back to the terminal on airside.
Gatwick is another one with no security whatsoever at GA where the rest of the pax are undergoing the gestapo treatment on the other side. Neither at Farnborough where pax drive their car onto the ramp. Now this is the way it should be and still is in vip operation. But poor mum going on holidays has to taste her milk before going through. And me as a pilot go 8 times a day through airport securities on my socks. The other day I went through, the thing did not beep, and they frisked me anyway. When I asked why they had the machine then in the first place the answer was: standard procedure. It's not that I have something against security, it's just that when you go through the thing 8 or 10 times a day (instead of maybe 3 times a year for avarage pax), it becomes really a horrible experience. Especially if you know that it's just there to fill there own pockets, not to improve safety on board.
To finish off my ultimate favorite: Brussels airport. My passengers show up and they have to go through security. However their luggage can go unscreened to the airplane, including three hunting riffles. They are placed in the passenger compartment, for lack of space down below, I kid you not. Now comes the best part, in the security check they insist on taking the passengers nailclippers and offcourse his bottle of water. He looks at me and I have to tell him "I am sorry sir, there is nothing I can do about that, but when you get to the airplane you can have your guns back, ok".
Security madness.......
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recently, and I'm not saying where....but a friend had his/her lunch confiscated. (Around lunchtime) So, next day his/her very tempting smoke salmon sandwiches had some 'medication to relieve constipation' added, purely for personal treatment you understand. Unfotunatly, they realise now that they may have accidently overdone the dosage.
Wonder what happened to the guys who took them with the laughing comment 'didn't you learn from yesterday'? Hope they are OK
Would be awful if this happened regularly to confiscated stuff wouldn't it
Wonder what happened to the guys who took them with the laughing comment 'didn't you learn from yesterday'? Hope they are OK
Would be awful if this happened regularly to confiscated stuff wouldn't it
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Madness reigns.....
Allowed airside; cars with full petrol tanks, various vans , fuel tankers etc etc, all with enough space to hide anything bomb size( or indeed a can of coke,butter etc that might have 'fallen' under the seat)
Not allowed; any liquids, butter, soup ,milk etc etc that you may have carried on your person through security and might reasonably want to have for lunch/supper on a 9 hour shift whilst stuck airside
This is to secure the restricted zone, which is partly surrounded by an impenetrable four foot fence.
I could list endless laughably pathetic consequences of the rules at my particular airport but frankly if the ****wits in charge thought they were a good idea in the first place they're not going to listen to anyone who can see how the rules work on a day to day basis.
Allowed airside; cars with full petrol tanks, various vans , fuel tankers etc etc, all with enough space to hide anything bomb size( or indeed a can of coke,butter etc that might have 'fallen' under the seat)
Not allowed; any liquids, butter, soup ,milk etc etc that you may have carried on your person through security and might reasonably want to have for lunch/supper on a 9 hour shift whilst stuck airside
This is to secure the restricted zone, which is partly surrounded by an impenetrable four foot fence.
I could list endless laughably pathetic consequences of the rules at my particular airport but frankly if the ****wits in charge thought they were a good idea in the first place they're not going to listen to anyone who can see how the rules work on a day to day basis.
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Someone suggested using air-cooled cars to avoid the need for more than 100mls of cooling liquid. 2CV's were mentioned.
Many years ago waiting on a remote stand at Le Bourget, we were next to a French navy plane whose pilot, an ancient matelot aviator, wandered over and scrounged a coffee. The handling agents used to drive about in those 2CV vans, the corrugated type.
He said "We call those vans virgins".
After a suitable pause we asked why.
"Well, they are rather difficult to get into, but quite comfortable once you're in. When you get out you feel a bit ashamed"
If he felt ashamed perhaps he wasn't a true frenchman.
Sorry for the thread creep.
Many years ago waiting on a remote stand at Le Bourget, we were next to a French navy plane whose pilot, an ancient matelot aviator, wandered over and scrounged a coffee. The handling agents used to drive about in those 2CV vans, the corrugated type.
He said "We call those vans virgins".
After a suitable pause we asked why.
"Well, they are rather difficult to get into, but quite comfortable once you're in. When you get out you feel a bit ashamed"
If he felt ashamed perhaps he wasn't a true frenchman.
Sorry for the thread creep.