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Hard Landing In SFB

Old 24th Jun 2007, 16:55
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Hard Landing In SFB

I hear a Monarch A330 requires an undercarriage change after a heavy landing in SFB this weekend?
Can anyone confirm this?
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Old 24th Jun 2007, 17:02
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Tis true, and right after a certain article mentioned how reliable the MON 330 fleet was.

"Finally, just in case you're wondering why I haven't mentioned them lately, yes, we do still operate two A330 aircraft - however, all they ever do lately is fly, and fly, and fly, and they are proving to be very good at it too! Hopefully I haven't gone and jinxed them now!"
I'm told both main gear legs may need replacing.
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Old 24th Jun 2007, 17:05
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Yup, looks like the a/c is gonna be out of it for 4 weeks!!
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Old 24th Jun 2007, 19:27
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Tis true, and right after a certain article mentioned how reliable the MON 330 fleet was.
Nothing wrong with the a/c.
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Old 24th Jun 2007, 20:32
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That must have been one hell of a landing. Was there any wrinkling
of the fuselage involved also?
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Old 24th Jun 2007, 21:38
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My sources tell me that the a/c has been given dispensation to make one flight back to a base where maintenance can be carried out. Apparently there is no restriction on the carriage of passengers so it may not be as bad as first thought. On its way back to Manchester as I write.

Anyone know what the weather was at the time of the hard landing?
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Old 24th Jun 2007, 22:00
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Looks like the A330 is prone to hard and heavy landings. A Korean Air A330 hit somehing like 2.3gs at ZRH and the skipper( expat ) was sacked. Also herd that Korean had many heavy landings on the 744 as well.
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Old 24th Jun 2007, 22:43
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Goodness. Is anyone allowed to post absolute rubbish here with no filtering at all?

No wonder most of us have left.

The A330 may be landed easily (excluding special factors, such as local weather, which affect all aircraft).
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Old 24th Jun 2007, 22:47
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Thumbs down Rubbish.

Above thread is a joke. Surely. No aviators there. Fantom excluded from my criticism.
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Old 24th Jun 2007, 22:52
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Tis true, and right after a certain article mentioned how reliable the MON 330 fleet was.
Bet when IM hears about this in the morning he will regret having jinxed the aircraft.
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Old 25th Jun 2007, 00:00
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The auto thrust on the A330 has a habit of bringing the power back to idle on the approach if slightly fast and then never spooling up again-Crunch every time if this happens at low level
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Old 25th Jun 2007, 00:07
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Just out of interest, doesn't Airbus FBW have some kind of envelope protection from a heavy landing?
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Old 25th Jun 2007, 00:12
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No.If you try and phase advance the thrust levers below 100ft Ra you really are asking for trouble.As soon as you get close to vls drag increases quickly.Alpha floor/prot is inhbited below 100ft as well so you are basically on your own
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Old 25th Jun 2007, 00:24
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Old 25th Jun 2007, 02:24
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No.If you try and phase advance the thrust levers below 100ft Ra you really are asking for trouble.As soon as you get close to vls drag increases quickly.Alpha floor/prot is inhbited below 100ft as well so you are basically on your own


TL - Initial reaction was to say what a load of "shoemakers". However, I shall just say that if you sat in my A330 and just accepted anything below 100' you would not be getting another sector as PF with me. You CAN advance the thrust levers below 100' you just have to remember that YOU now have control of the thrust and need to bring it back as if in manual thrust NOT to the CLB detent. Otherwise you are going around!

As my first instructor said FLY the F*****G aircraft.
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Old 25th Jun 2007, 03:12
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Well, after all that...

Maybe we should be clear on what exactly is the difference between a "hard" and "heavy" landing, since they are quite different animals!

One refers to the rate of descent at touchdown, and one refers to the AUW of the airplane at touchdown.

Now I wonder which is which here....

Cheers...FD
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Old 25th Jun 2007, 04:49
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The aircraft routed Newcastle - Sanford (G-SMAN/ZB365).

HTH,
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Old 25th Jun 2007, 09:36
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Electric jet jock- Go around every time then otherwise you completely destabilise the approach.This phenomenon usually appears in calm weather.I saw it happen going into an Indian airfield near the coast at around 60ft RA.Wind shifted as we crossed the coast,aircraft accelerated and power comes back never to spool up again.At least with the A330 it tells you in seconds your crunch score.
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Old 25th Jun 2007, 13:52
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Any verfication that it really did damage the under carriage and not the fuselage?

I was under the impression that hard landings (vertical G's) damaged the fuselage before the gear struts.
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Old 25th Jun 2007, 18:30
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I understand at this time no damage has been found on any part of the aircraft.
However at this time Airbus say that both Main landing gears have to be changed.
More information from Mon to Airbus is being supplied and more information from Airbus on the reasons for removal of said gear is being requested.
Which part of above thread do both Fantom & RoyHudd find Rubbish or a Joke?
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