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All I heard CNN Headline news say was a plane is going to attempt a landing so I came on pprune to find out whats the problem. Always ahead 
. What model? Apparently landed without incident but CNN missed it. Doh!
. What model? Apparently landed without incident but CNN missed it. Doh!
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it seems the plane is down safe and fine...
some reports indicate that "crews" felt that the "flaps" that come out when the gear goes down caused the sparks.
could these be some sort of gear door?
also, if you watch the video of the landing, it does not appear that the plane uses full flaps (wing flaps) for landing.
does this plane have main gear doors, other than strut doors?
some reports indicate that "crews" felt that the "flaps" that come out when the gear goes down caused the sparks.
could these be some sort of gear door?
also, if you watch the video of the landing, it does not appear that the plane uses full flaps (wing flaps) for landing.
does this plane have main gear doors, other than strut doors?
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a shame that the original thread was terminated.
it has come to light that the subsequent safe landing was done flaps up...and that the flaps were damaged in the first landing attempt.
I can only imagine that the gear was up on the first attempt at landing and that a thorough investigation will show something surprising.
it has come to light that the subsequent safe landing was done flaps up...and that the flaps were damaged in the first landing attempt.
I can only imagine that the gear was up on the first attempt at landing and that a thorough investigation will show something surprising.
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NTSB has released a preliminary report.
NTSB Identification: DCA07FA050
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 121: Air Carrier operation of AMERICAN EAGLE AIRLINES
Accident occurred Wednesday, June 20, 2007 in Logan, MA
Aircraft: Embraer 135, registration: N731BE
Aircraft: Embraer 135, registration: N731BE
Injuries: 41 Uninjured.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.
An American Eagle EMB-135, tail number N731BE, flight number 4539 initially landed with the gear up at Logan International Airport, Boston, Massachusetts. The crew reported that they had an indication that the gear was down and locked but right before touchdown, they noticed a landing gear lever disagree. They executed a go-around and mechanically lowered the landing gear. They were able to get the gear down and locked and got a visual confirmation that the gear was down. The flaps would not retract due to damage from contacting the runway on the intial landing, but the crew was able to successfully land the airplane. There were 37 passengers and 3 crew members on board. No injuries were reported. Eye witnesses to the first landing stated that they did not see the gear down on the approach.
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thanks zeffy for posting the NTSB report.
something was "fishy" with the information coming out at first...very interesting with huge ramifications for the embraer fleet if the gear shows down, but isn't.
embraer pilots are welcome to post their knowledge
something was "fishy" with the information coming out at first...very interesting with huge ramifications for the embraer fleet if the gear shows down, but isn't.
embraer pilots are welcome to post their knowledge
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The gear down indication on the EMB 135/145 is on the EICAS with an additional backup system on an RMU sub menu page. There is no mechanical indicator and now way to tell from the cabin if the gear is down and locked.
A landing gear disagree audio/visual warning is generated if the gear is not in the selected position 20 seconds after the gear command.
If the gear was not indicating down there would have been a mode 4 'too low gear' gpws warning below 500ft.
Additionally, a landing gear voice warning 'Landing Gear, landing Gear' is annuniciated below 1200 ft RA if land flap is selected and the gear isn't down.
It can be seen that there are plenty of warnings to prevent a gear up landing - a very strange incident indeed, and one I look forward to seing the technical reasons for.
A landing gear disagree audio/visual warning is generated if the gear is not in the selected position 20 seconds after the gear command.
If the gear was not indicating down there would have been a mode 4 'too low gear' gpws warning below 500ft.
Additionally, a landing gear voice warning 'Landing Gear, landing Gear' is annuniciated below 1200 ft RA if land flap is selected and the gear isn't down.
It can be seen that there are plenty of warnings to prevent a gear up landing - a very strange incident indeed, and one I look forward to seing the technical reasons for.
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folks:
go look at this picture...someone else can post it if you can. one picture is worth a thousand words.
http://media.myfoxboston.com/planelogan.html
this shows the plane landing with all GEAR UP, it continues and takes off again (may I coin a new term, a "RUB AND GO")...it did land safely later on, but WOW!
check it out.
go look at this picture...someone else can post it if you can. one picture is worth a thousand words.
http://media.myfoxboston.com/planelogan.html
this shows the plane landing with all GEAR UP, it continues and takes off again (may I coin a new term, a "RUB AND GO")...it did land safely later on, but WOW!
check it out.
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please folks, consider:
if this situation had happened on a day with gusty crosswinds?
I would love to hear what you all think. but dipping the wing even 3 degrees or so with gear up might have made a big mess.
if this situation had happened on a day with gusty crosswinds?
I would love to hear what you all think. but dipping the wing even 3 degrees or so with gear up might have made a big mess.
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I spotted that the nose gear doors are fully open wonder what happened to the Main Gear doors. Just checked the other piccy on fox and theres no sign of the gear, would be intreasting to know how the gear sequances on that airframe.