Wrong RWY landing ??? In this day and age ???
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Wrong RWY landing ??? In this day and age ???
Anyone knows more about the 737 that landed on the wrong rwy in del yesterday ? 
oh boy here we go again . . . . . . apparantely it was a flight from Jammu to delhi , happened around 230 pm ???
oh boy here we go again . . . . . . apparantely it was a flight from Jammu to delhi , happened around 230 pm ???
What has day and age go to do with humans making an error?
There are those who have made an approach to the wrong airport / runway, and those who will.
What I believe that you are questioning is the crew’s use of the navigation aids available in modern aircraft. These systems are rarely at fault, but the human ‘thinking’ software is full of bugs.
There are those who have made an approach to the wrong airport / runway, and those who will.
What I believe that you are questioning is the crew’s use of the navigation aids available in modern aircraft. These systems are rarely at fault, but the human ‘thinking’ software is full of bugs.
gatbusdriver, you appear to claim immunity to human error; perhaps you could share your wisdom with us. Or is this a ‘Teflon’ attitude – it won’t happen to me, I don’t make errors.
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Approached the wrong runway, luckily realized it, pulled up and landed with a very red face at the correct airport.
I did a foolish mistake. And I know it won´t be my last mistake, I´m quite sure.
Don´t throw stones while sitting in a glasshouse
I did a foolish mistake. And I know it won´t be my last mistake, I´m quite sure.
Don´t throw stones while sitting in a glasshouse
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>>>>>Quite often the visibility in Delhi is very, very poor. <<<<<<<<
do the words ILS mean anything to you ? and if they do ,do low vis approaches mean anything as well ??
we know what happened , I was simply trying to find out if anyone has more info on it .
>>>>>Quite often the visibility in Delhi is very, very poor. <<<<<<<<
do the words ILS mean anything to you ? and if they do ,do low vis approaches mean anything as well ??
we know what happened , I was simply trying to find out if anyone has more info on it .
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Bet delhi tower was doing the salsa after it happened !!!!! but jokes apart thank god all are safe and sound .
10 bucks the skipper n F/O were going OH %%^& were F##$%D !!!
but jokes apart thank god all are safe and sound .10 bucks the skipper n F/O were going OH %%^& were F##$%D !!!
VONKLUFFEN (post #7) – another non believer – or someone who does not wish to contribute anything of relevance to safety?
This thread is a good reminder of the particular hazards at Delhi, which apply to many other airports.
Also, consider the monsoon season – restricted visibility in rain. In these conditions, the use of the correct runway could be very important for the length required to stop in wet/flooded conditions.
Add to this the associated high workload in stormy conditions, procedural or language differences for those unfamiliar with the area; then we have ingredients for something much more serious than the crew’s embarrassment.
This thread is a good reminder of the particular hazards at Delhi, which apply to many other airports.
Also, consider the monsoon season – restricted visibility in rain. In these conditions, the use of the correct runway could be very important for the length required to stop in wet/flooded conditions.
Add to this the associated high workload in stormy conditions, procedural or language differences for those unfamiliar with the area; then we have ingredients for something much more serious than the crew’s embarrassment.
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Sorry, I will elaborate (before we all get our knickers in a twist).
I didn't mean it couldn't happen to me (I obviously hope that it doesn't).
But to say
Is a load of rubbish. I would apply that statement to something like.......There are those that have missed getting the gear up on a V1 cut and those that will.
Quick question for Alf:
What percentage of pilots, over their career, have landed at the wrong airport or on the wrong runway?
I can assure you I am not infallable. But for the grace of God go I.
I didn't mean it couldn't happen to me (I obviously hope that it doesn't).
But to say
There are those who have made an approach to the wrong airport / runway, and those who will.
Quick question for Alf:
What percentage of pilots, over their career, have landed at the wrong airport or on the wrong runway?
I can assure you I am not infallable. But for the grace of God go I.
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Some info on the incident:
NEW DELHI - A domestic flight arriving at New Delhi’s international airport landed on the wrong runway even though air traffic control was guiding it to the main airstrip, an airport official said Wednesday.
The SpiceJet flight carrying 160 passengers and crew arriving from Kashmir was being guided by air traffic to the main runway on Tuesday afternoon but veered off to an auxiliary runway and landed manually, he said.
“It’s not clear whether the instrument landing system was faulty or whether the pilot himself chose to land manually,” said an executive for the privately-run Indira Gandhi International Airport, asking not to be named.
“The two runways are basically next to each other. He mistook the secondary runway as the main runway. Fortunately the runway was absolutely clear. There was no obstruction that would have impeded the craft.”
India’s civil aviation agency and the airline were examining the incident, the executive said.
“Obviously this is a serious matter. The Directorate General of Civil Aviation and SpiceJet have decided to look into this,” he said.
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...continent&col=
So there. Quit squabbling.
NEW DELHI - A domestic flight arriving at New Delhi’s international airport landed on the wrong runway even though air traffic control was guiding it to the main airstrip, an airport official said Wednesday.
The SpiceJet flight carrying 160 passengers and crew arriving from Kashmir was being guided by air traffic to the main runway on Tuesday afternoon but veered off to an auxiliary runway and landed manually, he said.
“It’s not clear whether the instrument landing system was faulty or whether the pilot himself chose to land manually,” said an executive for the privately-run Indira Gandhi International Airport, asking not to be named.
“The two runways are basically next to each other. He mistook the secondary runway as the main runway. Fortunately the runway was absolutely clear. There was no obstruction that would have impeded the craft.”
India’s civil aviation agency and the airline were examining the incident, the executive said.
“Obviously this is a serious matter. The Directorate General of Civil Aviation and SpiceJet have decided to look into this,” he said.
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...continent&col=
So there. Quit squabbling.
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Jet lands on wrong runway at IGI
13 Jun, 2007 l 0026 hrs ISTlTIMES NEWS NETWORK
The Times of India:
NEW DELHI: The Delhi Airport came perilously close to a disaster on Tuesday afternoon when an aircraft landed on the wrong runway - which wasn't even in use at that time.
Luckily, there was neither any plane nor workers on routine maintenance on the closed runway when the Boeing 737-800 touched down. Thus a mishap was averted.
Initial reports suggest that the pilot did not use instrumental landing system either due to a fault in the system or by mistake, leading to the first of its kind incident at IGI.
Both the pilots of SpiceJet's Jammu-Delhi flight (SG 851) carrying 171 passengers have been derostered till a DGCA probe finds whose mistake led to the error. The incident happened around 2.30 pm - when only the main runway was in use.
"During the initial probe, the Air Traffic Controller's tapes were played. The tapes revealed that SpiceJet was given an instrumental landing approach for the main runway.
They also showed that the pilot acknowledged the instructions but he opted for visual approach and landed on the secondary runway. The wrong landing endangered lives of both passengers on board as also people on ground," said a highly placed source.
Moreover, both the pilots are Indians and supposed to be more well versed with airports here. "The cockpit voice recorder will also be examined to check if there were any sounds that could have distracted the plots' attention. We'll also see if there was any communication gap," said the source.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ow/2118360.cms
13 Jun, 2007 l 0026 hrs ISTlTIMES NEWS NETWORK
The Times of India:
NEW DELHI: The Delhi Airport came perilously close to a disaster on Tuesday afternoon when an aircraft landed on the wrong runway - which wasn't even in use at that time.
Luckily, there was neither any plane nor workers on routine maintenance on the closed runway when the Boeing 737-800 touched down. Thus a mishap was averted.
Initial reports suggest that the pilot did not use instrumental landing system either due to a fault in the system or by mistake, leading to the first of its kind incident at IGI.
Both the pilots of SpiceJet's Jammu-Delhi flight (SG 851) carrying 171 passengers have been derostered till a DGCA probe finds whose mistake led to the error. The incident happened around 2.30 pm - when only the main runway was in use.
"During the initial probe, the Air Traffic Controller's tapes were played. The tapes revealed that SpiceJet was given an instrumental landing approach for the main runway.
They also showed that the pilot acknowledged the instructions but he opted for visual approach and landed on the secondary runway. The wrong landing endangered lives of both passengers on board as also people on ground," said a highly placed source.
Moreover, both the pilots are Indians and supposed to be more well versed with airports here. "The cockpit voice recorder will also be examined to check if there were any sounds that could have distracted the plots' attention. We'll also see if there was any communication gap," said the source.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ow/2118360.cms
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Surely you remember a Northwest flight landing at Brussels instead of Frankfurt, some years back???????
There are those who have made an approach to the wrong airport / runway, and those who will.
What a load of rubbish.
Just for the record, the Northwest into Brussels was essentially an ATC error. Enroute ATC had him on their strips (incorrectly) as going to EBBR and thus vectored him as such. Both EDDF and EBBR were landing on 25L that morning. When the crew failed to identify the LOC (having set up the FRA frequency) they asked appr for the frequency, which was given. Thinking it had changed and they had not received notification of this change, they set it up and landed on 25L - at EBBR! For sure a more alert crew should have picked up on lots of little clues. But remember, it was after a long eastbound overnight flight and the crew were being vectored by ATC from TOD onwards. More knowledgeable controllers, including those at EBBR, should have known that NWA didn't operate into EBBR and could have sought confirmation of destination.
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wrong runway
Never mind New Delhi, I do recall with complete clarity being at the holding point at Kirkwall (EGAA) for RW27, the wind being 270/15, overcast 600,as I recall just above the non precision MDA. It was a DME ARC approach to both runways in those days more that 10 but less than 20 years ago,approaching from the south you just turned left for 09 and right for 27, no bother we thought!! Anyway we heard, I'll just call him "boyo" make his position report "established on the arc" no mention of what runway but at this stage we had only been on the frequency for a few minutes so, shame on me I "imagined" he had been specific to the controller previously , after all the wind was westerly at 15 kts!! To cut a long story short in the flight deck we are both looking out to our right ie to the east straining to catch sight of "boyo" making his landing so we could then get on our way back to EGPD.
There are few ways to describe our surprise when out of the left corner of my eye I noticed a movement and upon looking to the left who did we see racing past with his 15 knot tailwind but our friend "boyo"
. He managed to land and stop, what a micacle!
It all went quiet for a while and then the controller asked "boyo" to give him a call....on the phone, I was not privy to that conversation (******)and I never saw or heard anything further about it.
We certainly learned a great deal from that afternoon. We got back in one piece and still flying in Scotland.
Good night and good luck.
There are few ways to describe our surprise when out of the left corner of my eye I noticed a movement and upon looking to the left who did we see racing past with his 15 knot tailwind but our friend "boyo"
. He managed to land and stop, what a micacle!It all went quiet for a while and then the controller asked "boyo" to give him a call....on the phone, I was not privy to that conversation (******)and I never saw or heard anything further about it.
We certainly learned a great deal from that afternoon. We got back in one piece and still flying in Scotland.
Good night and good luck.