Wrong RWY landing ??? In this day and age ???
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clearly people are forgetting the ryanair flight that landed at the wrong airport last year. It was meant to land at City of Derry airport and landed at a disused army strip on near the city
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Did Air Malta and i think BIA (British Island Airways) fudge it up a few years ago at LGW?
I stand to be correceted but i think both mistook the taxiway for the main runway but i don't know the eventual out come of the reasons - Any takers??
I stand to be correceted but i think both mistook the taxiway for the main runway but i don't know the eventual out come of the reasons - Any takers??
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Landing on the wrong runway!!!!!!!!
6 months before I arrived at my first posting as a ground eng at Northolt a Panam 707 landed at Northolt mystifying Heathrow tower when the pilot announced he had landed and requested taxi instructions!
Now far be it for me to Poo poo this story as fantasy but the story has been repeated over a number of years from different sources.
Apparently a lot of aircraft when vectoring in from the north visually to Heathrow use to use the gasometer towers of Harrow and Northolt (I think long time ago) to line theirs selves up.
Well this said aviator did line himself up perfectly runway 25 and promptly called in for a short stop, very short stop, with trips to colourful metaphors and back!
End shot was the aircraft had to be de-fuelled to a minimum and all the passengers and baggage removed so the aircraft could depart to the correct airfield.
So landing on the wrong runway isn’t so difficult at all!
It happened recently in Ireland, good job the local grunts had moved out they might have shot at it thinking it was an intruder!
Professionally it shouldn’t happen but it does!
We shouldn’t witch hunt but should learn and understand these slips in decision making in the hope of preventing further incidents or even worse fatalities as a result!
While the soggy seat to stick interface exists it will happen!
And No Mr Micro Chip isn’t infallible either!
6 months before I arrived at my first posting as a ground eng at Northolt a Panam 707 landed at Northolt mystifying Heathrow tower when the pilot announced he had landed and requested taxi instructions!
Now far be it for me to Poo poo this story as fantasy but the story has been repeated over a number of years from different sources.
Now far be it for me to Poo poo this story as fantasy but the story has been repeated over a number of years from different sources.
That's why the South Harrow gasometer now bears a large NO↑ and the Southall one an equal sized LH↑.
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Also the one in Southall which still has a big white arrow on the side with the letters LH on the side it points to the crosswind runway which is out of use now I think.
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From Air-Britain here are two pictures of the aforesaid Pan-Am Boeing at Northolt.
http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1001608/
http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1001607/
Credit George Trussell Collection/www.abpic.co.uk
Hope it helps
Be lucky
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http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1001608/
http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1001607/
Credit George Trussell Collection/www.abpic.co.uk
Hope it helps
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What about the Eirjet Airbus operating from Liverpool to Londonderry, (for Ryanair) that landed at a nearby RAF station by mistake. Early last year.
I also believe that there have been several incidents down through the years of Manchester bound traffic heading for Woodford by mistake. I am not sure if any actually landed though.
I also believe that there have been several incidents down through the years of Manchester bound traffic heading for Woodford by mistake. I am not sure if any actually landed though.
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Its true Woodford almost had an Air France Caravelle and a Saturn Airways DC8-61 Conversely Manchester had a wonderful display from a USAF F-111 from Upper Heyford that should have been at Woodford Air Show. I believe the noise complaints got to 3 pages that day.
Be lucky
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P.S. What price collateral damage or friendly fire with nav like that
Be lucky
David
P.S. What price collateral damage or friendly fire with nav like that
A VC10 landed at Sharjah instead of Dubai, years ago, from the East, I think. It's wasn't the only time someone's got muddled there.
They did a roller, having realised that it was wrong just after being committed to touch down.
The skipper was disciplined for taking off into controlled airspace without clearance, because it was felt there were several good excuses for getting the wrong runway, as indeed there were. (Vis poor, navaids poor, ATC off the ball etc etc).
I have the record, i think, for identifying the wrong runway and landing on it twice in one day after getting clearance to finals and then to land on the right one (Orange military airbase for Orange civil, and Rome Fumincino (?spelling) for Rome Ciampino). My inadequate excuse was that I had no navaids, the weather was awful, I was using a half-million map, and no-one told me there was another runway close-by so I landed on the first one I saw in about the right place. Light aircraft, admittedly, and who cares, but I'm not going to criticise anyone for getting it a little bit wrong in the land-on-the-right-runway department, even in a big shiny jet with lots of dials and things.
Respeck, Mr Murphy, Sir.
They did a roller, having realised that it was wrong just after being committed to touch down.
The skipper was disciplined for taking off into controlled airspace without clearance, because it was felt there were several good excuses for getting the wrong runway, as indeed there were. (Vis poor, navaids poor, ATC off the ball etc etc).
I have the record, i think, for identifying the wrong runway and landing on it twice in one day after getting clearance to finals and then to land on the right one (Orange military airbase for Orange civil, and Rome Fumincino (?spelling) for Rome Ciampino). My inadequate excuse was that I had no navaids, the weather was awful, I was using a half-million map, and no-one told me there was another runway close-by so I landed on the first one I saw in about the right place. Light aircraft, admittedly, and who cares, but I'm not going to criticise anyone for getting it a little bit wrong in the land-on-the-right-runway department, even in a big shiny jet with lots of dials and things.
Respeck, Mr Murphy, Sir.
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Delhi airport has 60 STARS 42 SIDs , Its the only airport certified for CAT IIIA ops , has 2 runways 9 /27 10 / 28 ........ yes the promity of 9 and 10 are very close but not enough to land on the wrong RWY . . . . . and secondly if you know nothing about this airport do not make that foolish assumption that everyone else knows nothing about it either ...... Your just prooving your ignorance .
the point of this thread is not to put anyone down but to simply gather more information on what happened to that spicejet 737
the point of this thread is not to put anyone down but to simply gather more information on what happened to that spicejet 737
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Spoke to a friend of mine whose a Capt in Spice on the 73 . . . and he said the skipper in question always did have a problem , incidents and so on plus hes x air force or army dont remember which one but there you go ..... another maverick in out midst !
rest my case
rest my case
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Years ago, going into Cairo for an easterly VOR/DME, on the northern Rwy. Resident sand storm in attendance. B757. Having flown from the south there was much mapshift by the time we reached Cairo; suspected not verified. The correct RWY was selected in the FMC and an extended centreline created. A/c on a radar intercept heading; thus HDG SEL & VOR displayed on HSI. LNAV never a good idea in non-GPS a/c on base leg.
A/c flew straight though the purple line on PNF's map. Very disconcerting and un-nerving. VOR morse confirmed as the northly Rwy. Vis about 3lm's. Nothing to be seen and the E/W rwy's are about 2km's apart. Believe the raw data and fly the VOR. It turned out correct.
Consider what would have happened had a crew used LNAV to intercept finals on the MAP. As it happened the amount and direction of map shift would have put them very close to the southerly Rwy. If the lights had been on, and in the given vis, I'm sure someone would have landed on the takeoff runway, unless radar was alert.
I have also seen a B737, classic non GPS, line up on finals and make a late G/A at Murcia, where they were building a second Rwy on the north side of the terminal when the correct open rwy is on the south side. CAVOK VOR approach?? It's not difficult to do.
There is a new PNF call out: "ooops ooops, pull up".
A/c flew straight though the purple line on PNF's map. Very disconcerting and un-nerving. VOR morse confirmed as the northly Rwy. Vis about 3lm's. Nothing to be seen and the E/W rwy's are about 2km's apart. Believe the raw data and fly the VOR. It turned out correct.
Consider what would have happened had a crew used LNAV to intercept finals on the MAP. As it happened the amount and direction of map shift would have put them very close to the southerly Rwy. If the lights had been on, and in the given vis, I'm sure someone would have landed on the takeoff runway, unless radar was alert.
I have also seen a B737, classic non GPS, line up on finals and make a late G/A at Murcia, where they were building a second Rwy on the north side of the terminal when the correct open rwy is on the south side. CAVOK VOR approach?? It's not difficult to do.
There is a new PNF call out: "ooops ooops, pull up".
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Back in the 1970s Iraq Airways used to fly Tridents from Baghdad to London via Paris le Bourget, later changed to Orly. One evening the crew forgot that this change in destination had been made and flew into le Bourget. Once on the ground they realised their mistake, did a 180 on the runway and took off once more for Orly, evidently hoping that no one would notice. I remember it because a few days later I was on the selfsame flight: this time all that happened was a passenger decided to visit the toilet shortly before landing and didn't re-appear until after touchdown.
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BIA One Eleven at LGW was just after 08R closed at 2330 for re-surfacing work. Masses of vehicles with an impressive display of orange flashing lights not yet arrived on 08R so it was in complete darkness. Visual approach to 08L, and all ok until the f/o asks "Are we on the right one?". Seed of doubt now firmly planted, and went one to the left from 08L to taxyway 2 instead of 08R to 08L. Caused distinct colour change in the lower half of the uniforms of a BA 737 crew taxying for departure and they made a rapid exit onto the grass.
Is that the same markdobson that drove a 1-11 outta LTN in '87?
Is that the same markdobson that drove a 1-11 outta LTN in '87?
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Unbelievable to see the arrogance of those on this thread that think they are immune from making basic errors. They are always the people to be most wary of. 
Airfranz, your comments about the ex military and therefore maverick captain are obviously tounge in cheek and I appreciate your sense of humour.
Airfranz, your comments about the ex military and therefore maverick captain are obviously tounge in cheek and I appreciate your sense of humour.
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I get somewhat bemused by some of the "It could happen to anyone" responses to these sorts of incident. They are, at the end of the day, unforced errors. I do feel we have taken the "No blame" culture, vital for the improvement of safety, to an illogical extreme when we fail to say that the pilot in such an incident has been unprofessional. In my experience, these incidents could have been avoided had the briefing, for example, been approached with a greater level of diligence. It was Big Airways who noticed that the spread of incidents was pretty random except for the fact that incidents hardly ever occured on line checks and that a "lack of rigour" was a uniform thread running through those that did.
There are some famed incidents mentioned above, from NW at Brussels to the mistaking of Ballykelly (was it?) for Derry and mistaking Northolt for LHR (I'm familiar with all those fields - as I am with DEL) - in all the cases there were so many signposts the crews failed to pay attention to that the mistake was coming. We are all human and all have the ability to make some horrendous errors - but it's our job to anticipate, trap or mitigate those errors before they come to fruition. Lets not allow our "no blame" culture to lure us into the mindset that these mistakes were unavoidable or inevitable.
There are some famed incidents mentioned above, from NW at Brussels to the mistaking of Ballykelly (was it?) for Derry and mistaking Northolt for LHR (I'm familiar with all those fields - as I am with DEL) - in all the cases there were so many signposts the crews failed to pay attention to that the mistake was coming. We are all human and all have the ability to make some horrendous errors - but it's our job to anticipate, trap or mitigate those errors before they come to fruition. Lets not allow our "no blame" culture to lure us into the mindset that these mistakes were unavoidable or inevitable.
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Guys,
Just the other day landing into delhi, ATIS said runway 09 for arrival the area control started vectors saying "vectors for RWY 09". Finally when i get the final vector am told cleared for ILS 10..
Its pretty crazy at delhi these days s anyoe can make an error US pilots or the ATC. The bottom line is be careful and most importantly cross check the frequencys fed in and always call the RWY number in full including if there is a parallel with Left or Right for which you get approach clearence or landing clearence.
Best way to catch a error before its too late
Just the other day landing into delhi, ATIS said runway 09 for arrival the area control started vectors saying "vectors for RWY 09". Finally when i get the final vector am told cleared for ILS 10..
Its pretty crazy at delhi these days s anyoe can make an error US pilots or the ATC. The bottom line is be careful and most importantly cross check the frequencys fed in and always call the RWY number in full including if there is a parallel with Left or Right for which you get approach clearence or landing clearence.
Best way to catch a error before its too late
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Not strictly a wrong runway landing as such, but the tale of the BOAC Comet 4 which successfully survived a touch-and-go in a game park in Kenya is worth remembering, vide http://www.airliners.net/articles/read.main?id=5 and do a search on "game park".
Then read the whole article and, whilst I appreciate that times have changed, reflect on the old saying "There but for the grace of God ....."
Jack
PS It was along time ago, but perhaps someone out there has even more info on the touch-and-go?
Then read the whole article and, whilst I appreciate that times have changed, reflect on the old saying "There but for the grace of God ....."
Jack
PS It was along time ago, but perhaps someone out there has even more info on the touch-and-go?
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wrong runway landing???
Doesn't the ILS freq and Identifier appear on the PFD when tuned and locked on? I always return to basic when in doubt,ident and cross check the codes.